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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby x.clay » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:48 pm

Not a bad idea. I really don't want to lose another evening reinstalling windows over this.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Apoptosis » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:38 pm

The official response we got from Intel:

“Yes, we have been contacted by users with issues with the firmware upgrade for our 34nm SSDs and we are investigating. We take all sightings and issues seriously and are working toward resolution. We have temporarily taken down the firmware link while we investigate.”


Not sure what exactly is going on as I am out of town right now and haven't been following this that closely. I'd not run TRIM for the time being though.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Mad_Goku » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:06 pm

x.clay wrote:I have the 80gb version. I would have to do a quick search again to pull the exact model but it was listed for the firmware update.

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I am running Windows 7 Home Premium (upgrade). Basically the update went totally smooth but after reboot Windows crashes before getting to the desktop. I attempted a repair but Windows was unable to repair the OS installation. I ended up reformatting and reinstalling W7. I have all my documents on a separate drive so I didn't loose anything other than time :? . After getting W7 up and running again late last night I installed the toolbox and now have it scheduled to run trim on the SSD every evening.


I believe a lot of people run into this same issue because they don't have ACHI enabled....thats where the problem is. ACHI has to be enabled BEFORE the windows 7 install. You can't have it on IDE then install Windows 7, then update the firmware and switch to ACHI because it won't work. You'll keep crashing right at the windows 7 load screen.

So unfotunately if you didn't have ACHI enabled when you installed Win 7, you WILL have to reofrmat to take use of TRIM.

BTW, I have the 80GB drive also and am running the TRIM firmware, all is well.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Apoptosis » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:40 pm

My drive is still fine...

It's the original drive and has had three firmware revisions on it since installing Windows 7 RTM. My OS was installed with AHCI enabled the first time around and all is well. I called Brian Wallace tonight and his 80GB drive is fine still also and he's rebooted his dozens of times since the update and no issues. I've been in contact with Intel and Kingston, who both sell Gen 2 Intel drives and can't wait to hear the final answer to what is causing this or at least what the fix might be.

I did just recently start to get this error when I fire up the Intel toolbox though:

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If I click continue 100 times it goes away and the toolbox is then fully functional... odd that it just started doing that.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Mad_Goku » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:26 am

Also just to note...i have not installed the Toolbox and I am working fine...about 15 reboots since.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby FZ1 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:29 am

Mad_Goku wrote:ACHI has to be enabled BEFORE the windows 7 install. You can't have it on IDE then install Windows 7, then update the firmware and switch to ACHI because it won't work. You'll keep crashing right at the windows 7 load screen.

So unfotunately if you didn't have ACHI enabled when you installed Win 7, you WILL have to reofrmat to take use of TRIM.

That's not true at all. There are registry settings you can change to switch back and forth between IDE and AHCI - do a Google search, the info is all over. I'm not sure if Intel specifically requires AHCI (I know they recommend it) but AHCI is not required for SSD's. I have actually be researching it a bit lately and there is really no performance difference with AHCI vs IDE and NCQ doesn't appear to have any benefits thus far.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Apoptosis » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:25 am

FZ1 wrote: I have actually be researching it a bit lately and there is really no performance difference with AHCI vs IDE and NCQ doesn't appear to have any benefits thus far.


Are you kidding me? Best look at the benchmark results on this page... AHCI is the way to go

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1022/11/
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby FZ1 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:04 am

Honestly, that is the only benchmark I have seen with IDE vs AHCI where there is a substantial different. I haven't seen one other benchmark comparison that shows anything more than a negligible different. That score seems like an anomaly to me since it was only one test on that run that showed different and it is that particular benchmark app.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby spitter » Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:01 pm

Apoptosis wrote:My drive is still fine...

It's the original drive and has had three firmware revisions on it since installing Windows 7 RTM. My OS was installed with AHCI enabled the first time around and all is well. I called Brian Wallace tonight and his 80GB drive is fine still also and he's rebooted his dozens of times since the update and no issues. I've been in contact with Intel and Kingston, who both sell Gen 2 Intel drives and can't wait to hear the final answer to what is causing this or at least what the fix might be.

I did just recently start to get this error when I fire up the Intel toolbox though:

intel_error.jpg


If I click continue 100 times it goes away and the toolbox is then fully functional... odd that it just started doing that.


Sounds like a problem I had with my first mlc ssd drive, any way to check which firmware revision you have on the drive when you get that error, also delete a few folders and uninstall a program and reboot and see if they come back.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Mad_Goku » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:01 pm

FZ1 wrote:
Mad_Goku wrote:ACHI has to be enabled BEFORE the windows 7 install. You can't have it on IDE then install Windows 7, then update the firmware and switch to ACHI because it won't work. You'll keep crashing right at the windows 7 load screen.

So unfotunately if you didn't have ACHI enabled when you installed Win 7, you WILL have to reofrmat to take use of TRIM.

That's not true at all. There are registry settings you can change to switch back and forth between IDE and AHCI - do a Google search, the info is all over. I'm not sure if Intel specifically requires AHCI (I know they recommend it) but AHCI is not required for SSD's. I have actually be researching it a bit lately and there is really no performance difference with AHCI vs IDE and NCQ doesn't appear to have any benefits thus far.


So then I'm guessing you would need to change the registry to AHCI first, then reboot and change the BIOS settings? I just reformatted since it only takes about 15--20 minutes now.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Apoptosis » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:54 pm

Intel has been able to re-produce the issue that is bricking SSDs and is working on a solution to firmware 02HA still...

Here's a post by Alan Frost of Intel's NAND Solutions Group on the Intel community forums:

We have been contacted by users with SSD issues after using the firmware upgrade tool (version 1.3) in a Windows 7* 64bit environment. Intel has replicated the issue on 34nm SSDs (X25-M) and is working on a fix. If users have downloaded 02HA firmware and not upgraded, Intel recommends they don't upgrade until further notice. Intel is pursuing the resolution of this as a high priority. No related issues have been reported by users who have successfully upgraded to 02HA firmware via the firmware upgrade tool (version 1.3)."
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Mad_Goku » Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:52 am

That's awesome intel's support for this matter has been great! Although I didn't have this issue, the people who did will be covered.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby x.clay » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:25 am

so for those of us that did brick our SSD during the update, will we need to update the firmware again?
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby DL126 » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:41 am

Any new word on this through the grapevine or anything?

I have to 2 Intel drives & 3 Kingstons that need the updated firmware.

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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

Postby Apoptosis » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:11 pm

the NAND group issued a new statement just now citing “by end of Nov.” for a firmware fix, and listing some instructions for those with new drives waiting til then.

http://communities.intel.com/thread/834 ... S?tstart=0

• Intel has confirmed an issue with the firmware update process for 34nm (G2) Intel® X25-M SSDs (80GB and 160GB). This predominantly affected Windows* 7 (64bit) users during or immediately after the upgrade process to 02HA firmware using the firmware update tool (version 1.3). Intel plans to release a fix for this issue by the end of November 2009.

• Please see below to decide what you should do:

• If you have not upgraded to 02HA but using 02G2 or 02G9 – then use new tool when available to upgrade to new firmware to get Trim support and better sequential write performance (160GB)

• If you have successfully upgraded to 02HA - then continue using the SSD, there are no known issues.

• If you have received a SSD with 02HA pre installed – then continue using the SSD, there are no known issues.

• If you have unsuccessfully upgraded to 02HA - then contact Intel Customer Support for instructions on how to recover the SSD via secure erase or return SSD to Intel for replacement or refund.
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Re: Intel Launches TRIM Firmware For 34nm SSDs

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