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I found this article on how intel,microsoft and the music/movie industry teamed up to screw you- the end user:
By: Sander Sassen

I’ve described DRM, digital rights management, as the holy grail of the movie and music industry before; it is generally perceived as their ticket to safeguard their inflated profit margins and a tool to breathe new life into their obsolete business models. DRM protected content allows them to control exactly how this content is used, distributed, and above all, can be tracked right down to the individual end user. DRM protected content is protected by an elaborate encryption scheme and can only be unlocked and played back if you follow and adhere to the requirements set forth by the producer exactly. This could mean that he only grants you the right to playback the DRM protected DVD you bought once, or dictates that you can only do so a set number of times. For DRM to work however, especially on the PC, you’d ideally need hardware support, so that both hard- and software work together to make sure the protection scheme is in no way circumvented.

Up until now the movie and music industry has been unable to partner with the likes of Microsoft or Intel to make this a reality. Microsoft’s Windows XP featured DRM, but only on a software level and Intel has hinted at a platform with DRM for a few years now, but never followed through with the concept. With the arrival of Microsoft Windows Vista and Intel’s VIIV home entertainment concept both Microsoft and Intel have however sold out to the music and movie industry and their unbridled greed. Microsoft’s Vista will, amongst other things, feature something that’s called the Output Content Protection, which is a first implementation of the NGSCB, Next Generation Secure Computing Base, the infamous platform formerly known as Palladium. This prohibits the output of protected video content unless you have HDCP, High bandwidth Digital Content Protection, support on your display. Currently a very small percentage, less than 1%, of shipping monitors support this and hence will allow you to view such content.

Intel’s VIIV is the proverbial icing on the cake, a home entertainment concept adding the needed hardware support to supplement the features as found in Windows Vista. And unlike the concept platform Intel has shown us in the past, VIIV Fork will start shipping in the first quarter of 2006, quite in time for the release of Windows Vista. The combination of the two will mean that you, the end-user, will be royally screwed in every way, shape and form. That’s right, once VIIV Fork and Vista ship you can forget about exercising your fair-use rights, no more converting songs to MP3, no more music downloads to- and from friends and family, no more DivX movies, and the list goes on. But more disturbing is the fact that new content will only be able to playback on the new platform, there, for example, will be no (legal) Linux support or support in other operating systems. Simply because any such media player, able to playback this content, will circumvent the protection scheme that is DRM, which is illegal. Basically fair use and your rights as a consumer are out of the window when VIIV Fork and Vista arrive.

With VIIV Intel has given the music and movie industry the tools to force the consumer to give up its rights and abide by their rules and has handed the keys to unlock the protection scheme to Microsoft. Looking at the track record of the music and movie industry and their watchdogs the RIAA and MPAA you can rest assured that when this platform is introduced they’ll use any possible legal avenue to further limit how you can use their content. And more importantly they’ll also make sure you pay a substantial amount of money for any use of their content that before was labeled as fair use, such as converting songs to MP3 for example. So thanks Intel and thanks Microsoft for selling out, you’ve now clearly shown us that these new features are meant to better your revenue and profits, not the computing experience of the end user. Or rather, you’ve sided with the music and movie industry and their unbridled greed and clearly don’t care one bit about what the end user wants. I guess money talks after all.

Sander Sassen.
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1811/

after reading this, one thing is for sure: I'm not switching to that dicusting thing called windows vista. no way jose.

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no (legal) Linux support or support in other operating systems.
I would think that this is not good, this new stuff will not work on any other OS legaly. this does not seem right to me. how can it be deamed illegal for some one to watch/listen to something on an OS other than vista?
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They can make it illegal if they are distributing it, but oh well. The mfg's will eventually figure out that legality doesn't stop computer users, as it feels as if you are removed from it all and you can't be touched. Some are more wary now because they realize they can be sued for downloading and such, but there comes a point where internet anarchy will be widespread.

It really is impossible to regulate the internet.
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DeCSS encryption is what's used now???

Well you can get "patched" software which by-passes it already... there is a disclaimer that it "mayby" illegal to download and use in your country

This is with Linux by the way.....

I can see the same happening with their new protection...

Someone will crack it, then host either the source code or a complied binary file on some server in a country which doesn't believe in copyright laws!


Where there's a will, there's a way!!!

But yeah.... the new Vista! --> piece of cr*p.... Microsoft needs to learn from their mistakes.... since XP and it's activation = ALOT more people are using cracked versions of their "software"
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kenc51 wrote:
Someone will crack it, then host either the source code or a complied binary file on some server in a country which doesn't believe in copyright laws!

yeah I agree-but the problem is they want to track you down and consider you to be a criminal- this might allow them to give you a criminal record and maybe even give out jail-terms. all this for making an mp3 copy of your legitimate CD's (so you could listen to them in your mp3 player while jogging) or making coppies of dvd's for your kids (so they dont scratch the original) and limiting the times you can watch a dvd that you bought is just plain discusting...
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sbohdan wrote:
kenc51 wrote:
Someone will crack it, then host either the source code or a complied binary file on some server in a country which doesn't believe in copyright laws!

yeah I agree-but the problem is they want to track you down and consider you to be a criminal- this might allow them to give you a criminal record and maybe even give out jail-terms. all this for making an mp3 copy of your legitimate CD's (so you could listen to them in your mp3 player while jogging) or making coppies of dvd's for your kids (so they dont scratch the original) and limiting the times you can watch a dvd that you bought is just plain discusting...
I completely agree!!!
The only way you make the industry listen is via their wallets! People need to boycott certain products... I could buy windows or crack it for my second pc... but the hdd has never felt the pain of ntfs or fat for that matter... Out of principle I only use Linux/BSD etc. M$ got my money for xp on the main pc but no more if that's what they have planned


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AND THEY CALL US CRIMINALS??
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kenc51 wrote:

I completely agree!!!
The only way you make the industry listen is via their wallets! People need to boycott certain products... I could buy windows or crack it for my second pc... but the hdd has never felt the pain of ntfs or fat for that matter... Out of principle I only use Linux/BSD etc. M$ got my money for xp on the main pc but no more if that's what they have planned


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AND THEY CALL US CRIMINALS??
you couldn't be more right on this! this is just what I think. for sure I'm going to be one of those who will boycot this whole scheme with everything I can (installing countless copies of windows on my friends computers for example :snakeman: )
I'm of Hungarian/Polish origin and there is a saying in hungarian: "there is only so much skin to be ripped off a sheep". they are trying to rip off more then there is- its plain stupid and will just enfuriate people and make them resist more by pirating and/or just simply switching to other OS. there is allready so many emerging market countries that use Linux from the start.
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I should have also added...Last Thursday I transfared my hdd to a mates pc.. by mistake i booted into my drive and windows said I must re-activate.. Then yesterday, after returning the drive to it's rightfull place, I was told I MUST RE-ACTIVATE!! - I had no access to my files...
Thankfully I paid for xp... But....Thats no way to tread a paying customer, loyal too!
m$, the music/movie industry etc. ](*,)

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sbohdan -> I checked your site... I like your art..:) Very nice.. Tranquil!
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kenc51 wrote:I should have also added...Last Thursday I transfared my hdd to a mates pc.. by mistake i booted into my drive and windows said I must re-activate.. Then yesterday, after returning the drive to it's rightfull place, I was told I MUST RE-ACTIVATE!! - I had no access to my files...
Thankfully I paid for xp... But....Thats no way to tread a paying customer, loyal too!
m$, the music/movie industry etc. ](*,)


holly cow! so they just gave the finger to a legitimate customer...
kenc51 wrote::sidenote:
sbohdan -> I checked your site... I like your art..:) Very nice.. Tranquil!
thanks ken. trying my best. no offence, just didn't expect someone from a tech forum to appreciate my art. still, feels good...
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sbohdan wrote:
kenc51 wrote::sidenote:
sbohdan -> I checked your site... I like your art..:) Very nice.. Tranquil!
thanks ken. trying my best. no offence, just didn't expect someone from a tech forum to appreciate my art. still, feels good...
I understand mate..
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You will NEVER see me buy that crap, EVER!!! Micro$oft is in Satan's right hand, I tell you; there will come a day when the whole digital industry goes so far with DRM that a massive boycott will put them all the way under...I'm biding my time on that one

btw sbohdan, really really nice art man :) ; though I'm a tech freak, I can most definitely appreciate art, as I'm an art-oriented person (more on the musical side, as I have an obsession with great music, but the tangible art is amazing too)...hat's off to you, you should really think about opening a small art museum; I can see inspiration in the paintings, and those paintings are probably some of the best personal works I've seen in awhile; clarity is a must with paintings, and I say you more than cover those bases, and that's an understatement. Good stuff 8)
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thanks killswitch. I've been painting since age 15 and now Im 36 so came a long way. you say museum? well I think it's a bit early for that since I'm still alive :) perhaps my own gallery with time. for now I just sell my art through galleries throughout Canada, US, and Europe (mostly Germany and Switzerland). I guess it's kind of funny that I'm a tech freak too considering being an artist, but hey, I also been doing karate for 20 years now, I'm a die-hard biker (used to be into speed bikes when I was younger but I switched to a Harley- guess I'm getting old and ready to open a museum :rolleyes: ). and on top of all have been in to music (and gear) since being a teenager and 12 years ago I also got the bug -guessed it right: computers and since I found this forum I'm getting hooked even more - it's actually getting to interfere with my other stuff :shock:. anyway thanks again. it's allways nice to be appreciated.
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It doesn't seem all too strange that you have multiple interests and happen to be pretty good at them; I'm a tech freak who is also a music freak, a weighttraining freak, a big fan of muscle cars and the new hybrids alike, and take an interest in electronics and electricity, not to mention I know a good deal about Human Anatomy; I also took Karate (Tae-Kwon-Do) when I was 7 up until I was 12 (when they tore my Karate school down), only made it to 2nd degree brown though. Now that you mentioned "the bug", I caught it when I was 7 or 8, when I was first exposed to computers, which happened to be the old Apple computers with the monochrome green and black screens, and the 5.25" floppy diskettes (I believe they were the equivalent of "dummy terminals" lol); so it's been my first love for 14 or 15 years now....it's always good to know someone who has a lot of interests :drinkers:
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Newer ain't always better? I think this far outweighs anything else Vista will have to offer over XP, if much at all.
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That's for sure. It's one thing to want to protect original works, but considering the extreme it's been taken to today, with the RIAA and MPAA protecting remade works, and very rabidly? I think Micro$oft deserves to burn for this recent development, because eventually people will become disgruntled with the industries, and it could lead to a boycott of store-bought music and movies in the future. We could literally put the music and movies industry out of business that way, considering how quickly now movies go to DVD, and how artists pump out albums.
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well said killswitch.
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Thank you, and personally I think it will take that much for actors and musicians alike to realize that their labels (read: gluttonous benefactors) and movie companies caused this in the first place with massive inflation of album prices. It only costs 50 cents to make CD media (not sure for DVD), so that means the other $14.50-$19.50 and up is for the labels and movie execs to line their wallets, and their clients' wallets as well. I hope these "clients" have a soul and come to realize that maybe, just maybe, that they ask too much from their fans and should give back to them. After all, they wouldn't have the multi-million dollar houses, business ventures (some of them anyways), Rolls Royces, and Cristal without us.
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