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AMD vs Intel

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:08 am
by k2ray
I don't know if this has been talked about in a previus post but I was recently at a PC mutli-complex store in Hong Kong where one retailer informed that I shouldn't buy a laptop with AMD since they heat up too much unlike intel chips. What do others on here think about this. For example where bundled notebooks are concerned is Intel best? TIA for any feedback.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:11 am
by Sovereign
*WARNING* This may start a flamewar and get locked, just so you know. AMD procs are generally faster in games (with the new A64) because of the onboard memory controller. Intel rules at MP3 encoding and "productivity" apps, that's my $.02

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:14 am
by k2ray
Thanks for giving me your $0.2. Sovereign, which of them is in your notebook? TIA

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:24 am
by -mogwai
Sovereign wrote:*WARNING* This may start a flamewar and get locked, just so you know. AMD procs are generally faster in games (with the new A64) because of the onboard memory controller. Intel rules at MP3 encoding and "productivity" apps, that's my $.02
i'd agree with that assessment

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:00 pm
by k2ray
Thanks for the feedback audiophile! I'm still in two-minds about AMD though. Maybe I need to read up on threads in the AMD processor forum or something.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:07 pm
by LVCapo
There will be no flame war.... not on this site.
Everyone has an opinion and regardless of whether someone agrees or disagrees you have a right to post it.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:09 pm
by LVCapo
Sovereign wrote:*WARNING* This may start a flamewar and get locked, just so you know. AMD procs are generally faster in games (with the new A64) because of the onboard memory controller. Intel rules at MP3 encoding and "productivity" apps, that's my $.02
Also, stay on topic. He asked about mobile processors and heat issues.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:25 pm
by k2ray
capper5016 wrote:
Sovereign wrote:*WARNING* This may start a flamewar and get locked, just so you know. AMD procs are generally faster in games (with the new A64) because of the onboard memory controller. Intel rules at MP3 encoding and "productivity" apps, that's my $.02
Also, stay on topic. He asked about mobile processors and heat issues.
Hi capper would you or any other administartor happen to know good reviews/links on AMD's heat issues? TIA

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:27 pm
by OgreMustCrush
Well, in my opinion the best notebook chips are Intel's Pentium M. AMD's Turion is somewhat promising, but doesn't yet have much market penatration. Though, saying that AMD chips heat up too much for laptops is just plain out ignorant. If you take Intel's P4 and AMD's Athlon 64, they are both pretty hot to use in a laptop, but the P4 is definitly hotter. My friend has an alienware with a P4, and when we were putting in a mini-pci wireless card we both burnt ourselves on the metal plate underneath the keyboard. And that was just the latent heat after the machine was turned off.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:31 pm
by k2ray
OgreMustCrush wrote:Well, in my opinion the best notebook chips are Intel's Pentium M. AMD's Turion is somewhat promising, but doesn't yet have much market penatration. Though, saying that AMD chips heat up too much for laptops is just plain out ignorant. If you take Intel's P4 and AMD's Athlon 64, they are both pretty hot to use in a laptop, but the P4 is definitly hotter. My friend has an alienware with a P4, and when we were putting in a mini-pci wireless card we both burnt ourselves on the metal plate underneath the keyboard. And that was just the latent heat after the machine was turned off.
I guess one also has to take into consideration the amount of cooling available in the laptop. Since some notebook brands use both Intel & AMD processors do they take into consideration each's pros and cons or is the layout pretty much the same?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:36 pm
by LVCapo
I have no experience with AMD's Turion, but I do think the Intel Pentium M is a great processor.....and I'm a big AMD fan. As to reviews, I will look around and see if i can find one from a site I trust. Nate is the lappy guru, so let him chime in on this.

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_conten ... e%5Ftest=1

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:43 pm
by -mogwai
as for mobile heating issues, i'd probably say that they're both about the same... nothing big. however, i'm pretty sure i've read some places that the dothan has much better temps per power consumption over the turion.

here's a link in which you might find interest

anyways, if i had the chance to build myself a laptop (given the instructions by the legit review team), i'd definitely go with pentium m.

for one, it's got a better resale value than does a turion. secondly, it's, in my opinion, a marginally better processor for laptops. however, if you decide that you don't want it in your laptop anymore, you can pull it out and put it in an asus ct-479 and an asus board and run that thing at amd fx-53/55 gaming speeds.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:32 pm
by sbohdan
that salesman was behind in times. it used to be true that intel was running much cooler than amd in desktops. this was only until p4C (northwood). as pentium 4E (prescott) appeared it surpassed anything from before in heating up (I have one I know :( ). now mobile CPU's are a different stuff. they run cooler and use less power (less heat),

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:53 pm
by -mogwai
which salesman?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:59 pm
by sbohdan
I don't know if this has been talked about in a previus post but I was recently at a PC mutli-complex store in Hong Kong where one retailer informed that I shouldn't buy a laptop with AMD since they heat up too much unlike intel chips. What do others on here think about this. For example where bundled notebooks are concerned is Intel best? TIA for any feedback.
well er, retailer... same thing.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:00 pm
by infinitevalence
In my personal experience your going to find that Intel is currently making better mobile chips. AMD has an excelent desktop cpu its very powerful and is great for gaming. When it comes to the mobile market though they seem to fail some what when it comes to heat and battery performance. Intel on the other hand has very powerful cpus that also get great batter life and have low thermal output.

When it came to deciding for my self what to get for my laptop the choice was easy, i need battery life and portiblity more than i need gaming power. Because of that Intel was my choice.

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:16 pm
by killswitch83
For thermal management and battery life (not talking balls to the wall performance), then Pentium M is the shiz IMHO. Intel does have great power saving technology, something good for those who use lappies on college campuses, for example. It's also good for business/portable office use as well (otherwise known as an on-the-go type). Since I'm limited in knowledge on lappies, I would toss that one to Nate. And personally, I wouldn't OC a lappie, just because I really wouldn't see the need in it when there's a desktop at home that I have great thermal management on. I would strictly use my lappie as a work tool. What I would really, REALLY like to see is some form of watercooling for a notebook. That would keep the temp down nicely, and it would make for good OC potential, as well as great gaming. And wait I shall........

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:41 am
by k2ray
killswitch83 wrote:For thermal management and battery life (not talking balls to the wall performance), then Pentium M is the shiz IMHO. Intel does have great power saving technology, something good for those who use lappies on college campuses, for example. It's also good for business/portable office use as well (otherwise known as an on-the-go type). Since I'm limited in knowledge on lappies, I would toss that one to Nate. And personally, I wouldn't OC a lappie, just because I really wouldn't see the need in it when there's a desktop at home that I have great thermal management on. I would strictly use my lappie as a work tool. What I would really, REALLY like to see is some form of watercooling for a notebook. That would keep the temp down nicely, and it would make for good OC potential, as well as great gaming. And wait I shall........
I'm definately with you on that one. And thanks for your interpritation on the 411!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:43 am
by -mogwai
apple tried with their g5, but couldn't

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:09 am
by Camride
I'm not a laptop guru at all, but I have to concur with the opinions here so far. Intel has the mobile cpu's down, moreso than AMD does. That's not to say that AMD won't come out with one that rips Intel's Centrino apart, but it hasn't happened yet. So for now, stick with Intel. The Centrino's produce much less heat than pretty much anything else you can put in a laptop. And yes, that retailer didn't know what he was talking about. He was at least 5 years behind the times.