Dude, just relax, have pint or somethinAMD_G@y wrote:actually it's now 159.99 (199.99 - 10.00 instant and $30 MIR) ;pApoptosis wrote:I just looked at newegg and they are selling the Foxconn 975X7AA-8EKRS2H motherboard for $169.99 after rebate and it DOES NOT support conroe.
Only the Foxconn 975X7AB-8EKRS2H motherboard does....
So you're pricing isn't right.
as noted previously, your conclusion imo is still a bit slanted when you compared a value based Foxconn and no mention of the required $50-60 extra for cooling to a very new (and albeit expensive) CPU and undetermined motherboard. As far as the 975X7AA vs 975X7AB, by most all acounts the AB will be priced just above the 975X7AA due to the inclusion of their digital PWM technology. however until then your bias will remain duely noted for future reference.
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Yes, everyone knows Conroe is the next coming of sliced bread. Intel finally made a CPU instead of a silicon-based heat generator. That, however, doesn't mean AMD is pure crud. 
How about taking an unbiased point of view?
Its performance is thus far unrivaled and its overclocking potential... just absolutely delicious! In an ideal world where they are priced identically, the winner is undisputable. Unfortunately, we live in a real world complete with a real economy, so please, let's do compare apples to apples.
Asides from the one illustrious "feature": supports Conroe, this motherboard is lacking in almost everywhere else. Examples: it runs at x8/x8 in dual card mode versus the x16/x16 of the latter, ATA 100 versus ATA 133, 2 less USB 2.0 ports, 2 less SATA ports, no IEEE1394b Firewire port, etc. This is not to mention that the FoxConn 975X is a Crossfire motherboard, not a SLI 590. Perhaps its pure conjecture but most enthusiast products these days proudly emblazon the phrase "SLI Ready" on their packages or at most, "SLI/Crossfire Ready" (unless it's a Crossfire motherboard which, of course, cannot tote that phrase due to technological reasons). SLI command a higher premium than Crossfire at this time. Look for an SLI motherboard, such as the Asus Intel one and compare it to the Asus AMD one and you'll see that even though the latter is nForce 5 verus the former's nForce 4 chipset, the Intel one is still slightly higher in price. Equivalent Intel motherboards have always been more expensive than AMD ones and that trend hasn't changed.
consider why most people don't factor in MIR when making price comparisons. Many computer builders shop like your typical males, i.e. don't clip coupons or send in MIRs. In addition to that, there are many other external factors which may or may not get your MIR reimbursed including the mail delivery process, company mail sorting process, valid receipts and proofs of purchase, properly filled out rebate forms, etc. The savings are possible, but there is a reason many manufacturers prefer the MIR as opposed to a straight price cut or discount: most people won't be able to take advantage of it.
When reviewers (with unlimited resources to high quality components it seems) overclock, Conroe included, they supplement their cooling setup whenever they can, so why can't an AMD processor receive the same treatment?
but more goes into a computer than just a stand alone processor. At this time, there is no clear cut winner but there is definitely a clear cut price bracket.
but that AMD_G@Y just really irked me 
with his ill-conceived post
