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Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:41 am
by Apoptosis
For starters the idea that every child born in America should get a $5,000 "baby bond" from the government to help pay for future costs of college or buying a home is stupid... People from Mexico will be coming north to pop out a baby, get a $5,000 bond account and a US baby... Now Hillary Clinton wants Sandy Berger to help out her campaign... no way.... That guy is crooked as hell.
Wikipedia :
In April 2005, Berger plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington. In 1999, Berger was criticized for failing to promptly inform President Clinton of his knowledge that the People's Republic of China had managed to acquire the designs of a number of U.S. nuclear warheads. Berger was originally briefed of the espionage by the United States Department of Energy (DOE) in April 1996, but did not inform the president until July 1997. In November 1997, Berger paid a $23,000 civil penalty to settle conflict of interest allegations stemming from his failure to sell his stock of Amoco Corporation as ordered by the White House.
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:52 am
by Dreamcrusher
Aside from the whole File Gate thing, I couldn't listen to her for 4 years. That voice is enough to turn the volume down the State of the Union Address.
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:10 pm
by ibleet
Any candidate can get my vote by finding a way to restore all the Social Security money that has been stolen from the American tax payers. And I agree, the "baby bond" thing is ridiculous and will be grossly abused. They should focus on ways to prevent illegal immigration as opposed to ideas like this that promote it.
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:37 pm
by bigblockmatt
do you have a link to the "baby bond" article?
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:51 pm
by Apoptosis
sure....
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/stor ... 781&page=1
Google has thousands of links on the subject, but here is one from ABC News.
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:48 pm
by Bio-Hazard
Apoptosis wrote:For starters the idea that every child born in America should get a $5,000 "baby bond" from the government to help pay for future costs of college or buying a home is stupid... People from Mexico will be coming north to pop out a baby, get a $5,000 bond account and a US baby... Now Hillary Clinton wants Sandy Berger to help out her campaign... no way.... That guy is crooked as hell.
Hell, the Mexicans are already doing the "POP" a American baby thing in hopes it gets them to stay here..............

Ship them all right back across the boarder the same way they came over, this giving everything to everyone and having the US tax payers is getting way out of hand, it needs to be stopped, and stopped now.
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:29 pm
by Dreamcrusher
Bio-Hazard wrote:Hell, the Mexicans are already doing the "POP" a American baby thing in hopes it gets them to stay here..............

Ship them all right back across the boarder the same way they came over, this giving everything to everyone and having the US tax payers is getting way out of hand, it needs to be stopped, and stopped now.
I'm doing my best Bio. Really I am. Believe it or not, to keep an entire nation on one side of a fence is almost an impossible task.
But illegal immigration is not the only problem facing this nation. Legal immigration (the way it stands now) will do enough damage to is country by it's self...not to mention the hordes coming illegally.
Check out
this video and educate yourselves. That video is not what might happen...it's what WILL happen.
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:59 am
by Bio-Hazard
I fully agree, hell, we can't even properly take care of our own that we have here already let alone all the ones wanting to come to this country. It has to stop somewhere.............

Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:20 pm
by bubba
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:00 pm
by Dreamcrusher
Something like that is good but it's really not even a start.
When were dealing with numbers like these.
What is happening down here can be called nothing less than an invasion. The rest of America has no idea as to the true gravity of the situation.
The trash you see left here is only one of thousands areas just like it or even worse along the US/Mexican border. It is a harsh indication of the shear numbers of people crossing the border.
Below is just one example of the groups that I apprehend everyday. Yes, that's me and yes, I am tasked with apprehending numbers like this everyday and usually by myself.
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:30 am
by Alathald
Dreamcrusher wrote:But illegal immigration is not the only problem facing this nation. Legal immigration (the way it stands now) will do enough damage to is country by it's self...not to mention the hordes coming illegally.
Check out
this video and educate yourselves. That video is not what might happen...it's what WILL happen.
Wow, harsh...I 100% agree that illegals should be turned around at the border and sent back but immigration is the only reason America (as we know it) exists. Legal immigration is a very important aspect of any country but people often abuse that idea and illegal immigration seems to be a problem in many countries, not just this one. I say kudos to you and the work you do protecting our borders but the only reason I and many others are here is because of a trip made by my great...grandparents with a stop at Ellis Island and I'm willing to bet that every American & Canadian on this forum has a similar story (even if they've never heard it).
Now, as for Hilary Clinton, she is crazy and I truly hope she doesn't win the democratic primaries (let alone the '08 elections). In general, she does her job fairly well but every once in a while she comes up with these half-baked schemes that are like those pyramid schemes, they sound good at first until you actually take a minute to stop and think about how they'll work.
Anyways, I'm quite tired and can't properly rant in this state

... COLBERT '08!!!

Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:56 am
by Apoptosis
dreamcrusher... So is your name dramcrusher because you're a border agent that ruins the American dream for illegal immigrants?
Re: Hillary Clinton Is Done - Sandy Berger Did it for me
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:32 pm
by Dreamcrusher
Apoptosis wrote:dreamcrusher... So is your name dramcrusher because you're a border agent that ruins the American dream for illegal immigrants?
Crusherofhopesanddreams was too long.
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