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Can you see?
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:38 am
by kappage
just recently we started doing transformers in physics, i asked for the previous years test and this is question five from their.
Can you see whats wrong?
Read this first though, this is out of my physics text book.
A changing magnetic field will produce an EMF in a nearby coil
and here is the question

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This question was in a previous years TEE question (TEE is the higher subjects what we need to pass to get into university)
Post what you think it is.
Re: Can you see?
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:49 am
by Alathald
I see nothing wrong with it, it's a classic transformer. It's also a trick question as well though

I'll leave it below incase someone else wants a shot at it
Highlight:
Because it's DC, there is no inductance...part c is still tricky though because it is a changing current so there will be inductance.
Re: Can you see?
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:04 pm
by aloverof1
what do you mean you c nothing wrong.
Re: Can you see?
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:56 pm
by Alathald
a.) assuming I remember my right hand rule correctly (and I may not), the magnetic field created due to the primary coil would be pointing to the bottomright corner of the page at P
b.) It's a DC current so no inductance, so zero current in the secondary coil
c.) since the change in magnetic flux with respect to time is equal to the negative of the electromotive force (ΔΦ/Δt=-emf) then the average emf would equal -0.006Wb/0.03s = -0.2V
Now somebody owes me a cookie for working all of that out...
Re: Can you see?
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:54 am
by DMB2000uk
Sorry:
Dan
Re: Can you see?
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:01 pm
by JuneBug
Alathald wrote:c.) since the change in magnetic flux with respect to time is equal to the negative of the electromotive force (ΔΦ/Δt=-emf) then the average emf would equal -0.006Wb/0.03s = -0.2V
So whats Wb stand for and why is it negative 0.006?
Re: Can you see?
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:44 pm
by stev
JuneBug wrote:Alathald wrote:c.) since the change in magnetic flux with respect to time is equal to the negative of the electromotive force (ΔΦ/Δt=-emf) then the average emf would equal -0.006Wb/0.03s = -0.2V
So whats Wb stand for and why is it negative 0.006?
See article "C" in the test question.

Re: Can you see?
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:12 pm
by Alathald
Wb stands for Weber, which is the SI unit for magnetic flux. Wikipedia has more info on magnetic flux, probably more than you ever wanted to know...
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The only reason I can think of for kappage et al seeing something wrong with this problem is that they got electromagnetic field and electromotive force mixed up, which is understandable because while they can both be written as
emf, the usual shorthand for electromotive force is a scripted E (

) while the usual shorthand for the electromagnetic field is
emf. Very common for a student to get those mixed up but I'm surprised that the teacher got it wrong...the book definition kappage gave and the way the problem is worded clearly points to electromotive force...
BTW, I hope you enjoyed my cookie Dan!

Re: Can you see?
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:05 pm
by Alathald
Juse wrote: 
He annoys me
Who annoys you? Me? I was just trying to help out a fellow forum member...*sniff*
*goes to sit in corner and have a good cry* 