The Energy Non-Crisis

[vbironchef]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7167011147 I just watched this video and I had to share it with everyone.

[skier]

i just heard like yesterday, that there was 10 billion barrels worth of oil under Alaska, which would last the entire USA ~290 days and would take more than 3 years just to tap into it and not be cost-feasable as a whole

[vbironchef]

Did you watch the video? Please watch from start to end. Then post reply.

[DMB2000uk]

It was long, but definitely worth the watch.

I recommend that people set aside time to watch this, it is a real eye opener.

Dan

[unfaithfulsfan]

Watching that was simultaneously the most depressing, shocking and inflammatory hour and fifteen minutes I've ever spent. It answered a whole hell of a lot of questions about what's going on with our economy and why.

Thanks for posting it!! Just don't know what we're going to do if it's true and it seems very much like it is all too true.

Jack

[skier]

it's definately long, but at 40, 45, 57, 103, 107, 109 min its crazy, if you only listen to these sections and 2 minutes thereafter each, you will fully understand the scope of this atrosity

[dicecca112]

He has no scientific background nor facts to back up his points. He's a baptist mister. It would take over 3 years alone to drill the oil, and yet another three to refine it. We cannot accurately predict how much oil is in a place, its a guess. Saudi Arabia is 1/3 the size of the US, there is not enough oil in Alaska to be the same as there is in Saudi Arabia. Its complete fud.

[vbironchef]

Here is a link to the book http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

[unfaithfulsfan]

He has no scientific background nor facts to back up his points. He's a baptist mister. It would take over 3 years alone to drill the oil, and yet another three to refine it. We cannot accurately predict how much oil is in a place, its a guess. Saudi Arabia is 1/3 the size of the US, there is not enough oil in Alaska to be the same as there is in Saudi Arabia. Its complete fud.

Regardless, it's still some pretty compelling stuff, to me anyway. I, for one, don't give Bush credit (and never have) for being smart enough to engineer much in the way of grand schemes. That's why he has Cheney in there with him (and Rove). I mean, he couldn't even find oil in Texas. However, if you remember a few years ago, he made the suggestion of drilling for oil in Alaska. All the environmentalists began shooting bricks out of impossible orifices and rallied to protect that state. Pretty well covers "plausible deniability," regardless how you feel about that particular issue.

His ramblings seemed to touch on that several year old mystery as to why we suddenly decided to go after Iraq when they had nothing to do with Bin Laden that anyone could prove along with the WMD red herring that got us in there to begin with. Afghanistan is harboring Bin Laden. OK, let's get Iraq!! Never really made sense to me. But I digress. Of course, "They tried to kill my Daddy."

Too, he is promoting his book. The successful way to do that is to raise questions which people would think will be answered by buying and reading the book. He could very well be a BS artist but I might just bite and buy the book to see how well he backs up his claims.

Jack

[DMB2000uk]

If you do jack, let me know how that goes. I was wondering if there are more substantial proofs in his book, but everything he said made sense to me too.

What reason would a baptist minister have for lying on this kind of scale? If it's just to promote book sales, especially now that interest is no doubt peaking, he is finishing selling his book (and most of his other books are out of print).

Dan

[Sporg]

Okay, I'm not sure what to think about this guy. I have wondered how much oil we're hiding, and it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of his claims are true.

Regarding going after Iraq. I still believe that they had stuff, but when you tell the world that you're going to attack someone 6 months (or more) before you actually get there. Well, if I had something in my house and I knew that the FBI would be here in 6 months, believe me, I sure would make sure it's gone before they show up. If I remember correctly, the UN inspectors locked up a few locations, but neglected to tell us about some of them. Needless to say, those sites were empty by the time our forces stumbled upon them.

If you read the treaty with Iraq from the first gulf war, they broke many many many items in that treaty. I know, this is kinda weak. I don't want to get into a debate about the war over there. I personally don't think we should be there, but now that we are we are bound by the Hague to help establish a stable government. I'm not saying that we have always followed some of the things that we've signed.

From the Hague Convention of 1907:
SECTION III
MILITARY AUTHORITY OVER THE TERRITORY
OF THE HOSTILE STATE

Art. 42. Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.

The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.

Art. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

Crud, sorry for the hijack... Geeze, ole Lindsey is still rambling in the background. I'm sorry, I can't take this guy seriously...

[bubba]

He has no scientific background nor facts to back up his points. He's a baptist mister. It would take over 3 years alone to drill the oil, and yet another three to refine it. We cannot accurately predict how much oil is in a place, its a guess. Saudi Arabia is 1/3 the size of the US, there is not enough oil in Alaska to be the same as there is in Saudi Arabia. Its complete fud.

Alaska is about the same size a half of the lower 48 states.

Still waiting on the vid to load so I can watch what you all have.

[vicaphit]

[unfaithfulsfan]

Looked into buying the book. Waiting on a response because, as provocative as this is, I'm not willing to invest ~$150 into 8 DVDs and a couple of books especially given my current budget limitations. If they'll sell me a copy of the book for $10-$30, cool, but that's as far as I'll go

Jack

[dicecca112]

Check the square footage

[martini161]

i would to, if that was just transposed over it from the same map its probably not accurate. maps warp close to the poles

[bubba]

square footage is going to take a little math, square miles was easier to find

Saudi Arabia 756,985 square miles
Alaska 663,267 square miles
Iran 636,296 square miles
Iraq 168,754 square miles (about the same area of Montana)

all from the National Geographic site

[Sovereign]

I have not watched the movie (and I won't, given what has been said about it already), but I will say that I automatically discount anyone who says the current situation with energy in this country is fine and dandy. That might be great to sell his book o' fire and brimstone, or whatever, but when I saw the words "Baptist Minister" earlier in the thread, the video immediately lost all credibility with me. Baptist minsters are not experts on energy production, no matter how "provocative" they are.

Again, no, I haven't watched it, but if the premise of the video (as is the title of the thread) is that the energy situation can either be drilled out of or isn't a problem, that person, in my opinion, has his head up his a--. Regardless of your stance on Global Warming or the environment, the cold, hard, mathematical fact is that oil is a limited resource. It only exists in certain places. Even in those places, it is becoming rarer. Domestic production peaked a long time ago. According to the Energy Administration Administration, if the United States was forced to rely solely on domestic production, we would run out of oil in three years.

Now, as far as this preacher-man goes, he's obviously just another hack out to scare people into buying his $150 set of DVDs and crap. If it were a $30 book, I'd concede the point that his materials might be worth reading, but to me that just smells like a money-making scheme. What sounds logical does not always turn out to be right. If everything were logical, then we wouldn't have problems with our economy because everyone would follow the logic set forth in economics textbooks which promises nothing short of the moon and stars if it is followed. Just because someone makes you ask questions doesn't mean that the answers they feed you from these questions are right, or that the questions are even relevant!

Fail.

[vbironchef]

I guess nobody saw the link for the book. It is free! Here is the link again. http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html I am not taking sides on this, I just wanted to share the video. I found the link to the book much later. I would never buy the book. Just watch the video. It's like a hour and a half. It just makes you think who is really telling the truth. That's all I am trying to share.

[DMB2000uk]

I have not watched the movie (and I won't, given what has been said about it already), but I will say that I automatically discount anyone who says the current situation with energy in this country is fine and dandy. That might be great to sell his book o' fire and brimstone, or whatever, but when I saw the words "Baptist Minister" earlier in the thread, the video immediately lost all credibility with me. Baptist minsters are not experts on energy production, no matter how "provocative" they are.

Again, no, I haven't watched it, but if the premise of the video (as is the title of the thread) is that the energy situation can either be drilled out of or isn't a problem, that person, in my opinion, has his head up his a--. Regardless of your stance on Global Warming or the environment, the cold, hard, mathematical fact is that oil is a limited resource. It only exists in certain places. Even in those places, it is becoming rarer. Domestic production peaked a long time ago. According to the Energy Administration Administration, if the United States was forced to rely solely on domestic production, we would run out of oil in three years.

Now, as far as this preacher-man goes, he's obviously just another hack out to scare people into buying his $150 set of DVDs and crap. If it were a $30 book, I'd concede the point that his materials might be worth reading, but to me that just smells like a money-making scheme. What sounds logical does not always turn out to be right. If everything were logical, then we wouldn't have problems with our economy because everyone would follow the logic set forth in economics textbooks which promises nothing short of the moon and stars if it is followed. Just because someone makes you ask questions doesn't mean that the answers they feed you from these questions are right, or that the questions are even relevant!

Fail.

Baptist minister or no, if you had at least watched the video I'd accept your criticisms, but as it stands you are bashing everything he has to say on what he does for a living. It's not really an informed opinion if you are basing it just on other peoples comments . The reason you can only get his book with the DVD set now is that he's taken it out of print, so there are only limited copies available, but like vbironchef pointed out you can even get it for free now.

I'd urge you to watch the video and see for yourself what it is that he is saying.

Dan