***"at least" 22 dead from VA Tech Shooting***

stopthekilling77 · Post by **stopthekilling77** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:17 am

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech. ... index.html

wow. this is officially America's deadliest school shooting, far worse death toll than Columbine. and it happened just hours ago.

Skippman · Post by **Skippman** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:43 am

Death tolls up to 25. Not releasing the fate of the shooter other than he's dead. I hope one of his intended victims was carrying and did him in.

stopthekilling77 · Post by **stopthekilling77** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:47 am

where's the 25 count at?

this is just insane

Post by **DMB2000uk** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:48 am

I'm just going to throw this out there, but if you didn't have the right to carry, would the gunman still have had a gun? (I know we can't know now, and indeed may never know but its something to ponder)

Dan

stopthekilling77 · Post by **stopthekilling77** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:52 am

one thing they can't do is judge 100% whether or not someone is really going to use a gun for good or for evil but i CAN say i've known many MANY people throughout my life who carry, legally, and are both skilled and humble about it.

this was some retard, some POS excuse for a human being who decided it was going to be duck-hunt day at VTech.

and yes even if we DIDNT have the right to carry, he'd still have found a way to kill.

Post by **DMB2000uk** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:00 pm

On another note, who's betting the media tries to pin this on video games?

Dan

Post by **Apoptosis** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:07 pm

unreal

stopthekilling77 · Post by **stopthekilling77** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:08 pm

you never know, that ship seemed to have sailed after the infamous Bowling For Columbine film.

honestly, Dan, i'm not sure. it seems to me that the same people who would say that video games make kids violent enough to kill would also rather someone who did what this shooter did NOT get the death penalty. just a thought.

anyone else sorta wondering the same thing(s)?

camaroguy1998 · Post by **camaroguy1998** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:19 pm

stopthekilling77 wrote:you never know, that ship seemed to have sailed after the infamous Bowling For Columbine film.

honestly, Dan, i'm not sure. it seems to me that the same people who would say that video games make kids violent enough to kill would also rather someone who did what this shooter did NOT get the death penalty. just a thought.

anyone else sorta wondering the same thing(s)?

You're probably right!

The number is up to 30 now(according to CBS News)

Skippman · Post by **Skippman** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:22 pm

Blaming video games for people doing this is sort of like blaming playing cops and robbers or cowboys and indians for the same attrocities. In a video game your pointing and clicking. Playing pretend you're acting it out.

The points moot. We have freadom of speech.

As for whether he had a carry permit... I don't think that's got anything to do with it as likely he was using an assualt rifle from what few descriptions I've heard. What I'd like to know is why he was able to run around on campus for 2 hours after the first batch of shootings.

Carrying a firearm is a tremendous responsibility. I know from first hand experience as both a range master and a CCW holder in the State of Missouri. I also helped lobby to get the CCW bill passed in Missouri. Statistically speaking there's been no increase in violent crime in Missouri since the passing of the bill. And 42 states have provisions for carrying as of the writing of this post.

Post by **Apoptosis** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:23 pm

CNN: Four hospitals report 29 wounded and 22 dead (21 victims and 1 shooter)

Mortious · Post by **Mortious** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:24 pm

DMB2000uk wrote:I'm just going to throw this out there, but if you didn't have the right to carry, would the gunman still have had a gun? (I know we can't know now, and indeed may never know but its something to ponder)

Dan

Can't answer that question, but will ask one of my own, if the school wasn't a "gun free zone" (read people were able to carry for self-protection) would there be as many dead?

camaroguy1998 · Post by **camaroguy1998** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:27 pm

Apoptosis wrote:CNN: Four hospitals report 29 wounded and 22 dead (21 victims and 1 shooter)

CBS TV must be over stating or miss stating the numbers!

Post by **Apoptosis** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:38 pm

CNN just updated: The death toll in the Virgina Tech campus shooting rises to 31, including the gunman

AP: AP reports 31 people were killed and at least 29 were injured on the campus of Virginia Tech.

Post by **Apoptosis** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:44 pm

anyone have the link to the video that the student journalist shot?

Found it: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video ... d=2688021n

oh boy was that last close...

stopthekilling77 · Post by **stopthekilling77** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:53 pm

WOW

within a few more hours we should see the numbers all level out and find out just how many were slain and injured...

its a shame he was killed. he should have stood trial.

yeah yeah yeah he's dead and thats what matters. i dont agree.

vicaphit · Post by **vicaphit** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:41 pm

Jack Thompson is going to blame it on GTA IV...

My brother-in-law was an atheletic trainer at VT a few years ago.

stopthekilling77 · Post by **stopthekilling77** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:35 pm

up to 31 victims dead, one gunman dead also.

depressing.

Indignity · Post by **Indignity** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:37 pm

Is it me or is the media loving this???? I mean every channel you flip to has had live coverage of this since 11am CST today then they interview somebody over the phone that is a second cousin of a guy that knows somebody that goes to school there. -Not to bring light to this at all-

T-Shirt · Post by **T-Shirt** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:39 pm

You know, this keeps happening, over and over, girl breaks up guy, guy gets guns, shoots girl and dozens of others.
I'm not sure that the video game/violent tv/movies AREN'T part of the problem.
Not the cause, but seeing violent acts repeatedly, and seeing across society that whipping out your nine or ak47 is not only acceptable, but an almost required way of dealing with your pain and anger.
years ago, after a breakup this guy might have got drunk, maybe got in a fight, dropped out of school or killed himself (at worse killed himself, the girl and maybe the new lover( if any, maybe she left cause the guy was wierd/unstable/a jerk or just not mr right)
Now, he felt the need not just to go after her, but everyone else, just to show how tough / angry/hurt he was.

A sad day for everyone