BIGFOOT NETWORKS INTRODUCES AFFORDABLE NEW KILLER K1

Post by **Digital Puppy** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:46 pm

Well, Cinrellik, I'm certainly not convinced - but I do understand and respect your position and opinion. For me, being able to see the cost/benefit to having one of these cards in various test setups versus my $30 nic or on-board LAN (as Apop was suggesting) would be key to me appreciating what Bigfoot is trying to do. I can't even tell you the kind of test you would need to implement to show casual gamers "smoother" and "more reliable" network performance.

I guess I just need to see more than a press release.

Cinrellik · Post by **Cinrellik** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:15 pm

Digital Puppy wrote:Well, Cinrellik, I'm certainly not convinced - but I do understand and respect your position and opinion. For me, being able to see the cost/benefit to having one of these cards in various test setups versus my $30 nic or on-board LAN (as Apop was suggesting) would be key to me appreciating what Bigfoot is trying to do. I can't even tell you the kind of test you would need to implement to show casual gamers "smoother" and "more reliable" network performance.

I guess I just need to see more than a press release.

There's quite a few reviews for the M1. We have many linked here:
http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/Kill ... views.aspx

The K1 edition is being shipped now to reviewers on request. Hopefully we will see some posted reviews soon.

I don't think this website has ever done a review for the M1 or the K1, has it? I didn't see one when I searched for it.

I assume most of you would trust a review from them? Perhaps I should look into arranging something. It's technically not my dept, but if I knew who to contact here I could pass it along to marketing, they handle review cards.

Post by **Apoptosis** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:21 pm

We actually have both the M1 and K1 on the way from your PR firm... So we will as always have a legit review on them for our readers showing our true thoughts ;)

dgood · Post by **dgood** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:32 pm

thanks for the response, its nice to know exactly what the difference and I could see some market for them I guess though it probably wouldn't be my route. I'm glad someone actually knows something about it to answer the questions. Thanks again. -Dgood

Post by **Digital Puppy** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:53 pm

Apoptosis wrote:We actually have both the M1 and K1 on the way from your PR firm... So we will as always have a legit review on them for our readers showing our true thoughts ;)

Nate and crew are always on top of things!

Post by **Digital Puppy** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:56 pm

Cinrellik wrote:There's quite a few reviews for the M1. We have many linked here:
http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/Kill ... views.aspx

The K1 edition is being shipped now to reviewers on request. Hopefully we will see some posted reviews soon.

My bad...I lead quite a sheltered life so I know of no other hardware review site except for Legit.

HONkUS · Post by **HONkUS** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:15 pm

We actually have both the M1 and K1 on the way from your PR firm... So we will as always have a legit review on them for our readers showing our true thoughts ;)

Oh well in that case im done talking ill just let the results speak for themselves!

bigblockmatt · Post by **bigblockmatt** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:25 pm

Apoptosis wrote:We actually have both the M1 and K1 on the way from your PR firm... So we will as always have a legit review on them for our readers showing our true thoughts ;)

Looking forward to the review!

cyberneticimplant · Post by **cyberneticimplant** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:53 pm

bigblockmatt wrote:
Apoptosis wrote:We actually have both the M1 and K1 on the way from your PR firm... So we will as always have a legit review on them for our readers showing our true thoughts ;)
Looking forward to the review!

Me too!

jakegub · Post by **jakegub** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:22 am

The obvious solution is to send Nathan both versions of the cards and let him figure out a way to do an objective test.
Another thing, Can't you flash the DDRT firmware to some routers and have the ability to set priority to certain applications or ports and wouldn't that have the same or similar effect to what a NPU does?

This is unfortunately not an issue for me because I play RTS games where I am limited by the connection speed of the slowest player. I do understand though that in a FPS every little bit gives you the advantage and I could see paying $150 for that advantage.

Edit: NOt sure how i missed the above posts about the reviews coming....

Post by **Apoptosis** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:29 am

cyberneticimplant wrote:
bigblockmatt wrote:
Apoptosis wrote:We actually have both the M1 and K1 on the way from your PR firm... So we will as always have a legit review on them for our readers showing our true thoughts ;)
Looking forward to the review!
Me too!

We would have had a review a long time ago, but Killer cut our sample after we published this article: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/358/1/ Promptly after I posted that article no one at Killer would contact me and even Harlan Beverly wouldn't return my messages. I found it odd that they let me post the very first pictures of the card and then never send a card when they said they would.

Just a few weeks ago I bumped into KillerNIC in the bar line at a PC Charity Race in Las Vegas during CES and thanked the guy for never responding to us (Legit Reviews). After that awkward moment, I was promised the card and started getting contacted by KillerNIC again. I had a conference call with them last week on the K1/M1 and was told I was going to be sent both.

They were supposed to send a sample out last week, but I have yet to get any cards or even a tracking number... Two promises of review samples and no products yet...

Post by **Digital Puppy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:54 am

Apoptosis wrote:They were supposed to send a sample out last week, but I have yet to get any cards or even a tracking number... Two promises of review samples and no products yet...

I'm keeping hope alive! After all, they are starting to be more active in our forums.....you don't think they are after the 8800 we are giving away do you??

dotslasher · Post by **dotslasher** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:08 pm

i play with a normal (cheap) pci card and i get great performance with my 20mbit cable line. I would never buy anything like that.

Just waste of good money on something that will probably suck badly :D
I rather spend a bit more on my gfx card

InsolenceAndHeresy · Post by **InsolenceAndHeresy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:13 pm

Unless its fully supported by Vista.... useless?

And really, what kind of a boost (% wise) does it provide to the average modern computer?

InsolenceAndHeresy · Post by **InsolenceAndHeresy** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:27 pm

actually, I'm reading these reviews and I'm seeing that a lot of the reviewers are finding gameplay 'smoother' with the NIC installed.

BUT, they are FORGETTING to factor in the psychological factor, where the fact that you just installed the NIC makes it seem psychologically appealing...

I hope LR factors that psyche in when they're reviewing and issues a verdict based purely on scientific evidence.

Razorbacx · Post by **Razorbacx** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:52 pm

InsolenceAndHeresy wrote:actually, I'm reading these reviews and I'm seeing that a lot of the reviewers are finding gameplay 'smoother' with the NIC installed.

BUT, they are FORGETTING to factor in the psychological factor, where the fact that you just installed the NIC makes it seem psychologically appealing...

I hope LR factors that psyche in when they're reviewing and issues a verdict based purely on scientific evidence.

I can assure you that the reviews performed by LR, Nate and maybe a few others, are just that, unbiased and straight to the point. They'll not leave any rock unturned and if the product is worth its salt it'll be in the review.

I personally feel that Bigfoot may have missed the boat or at least did not do a good enough job of marketing and pricing this product to the everyday user. $150.00 - $250.00 is very pricey when we're talking about milleseconds. As a consumer, I'm looking for substantive improvement in speed and reliability and thusfar this NIC looks like more of a high priced gimmicky gadget promising me a better gaming experience by giving me milleseconds over the competition. Simply put, that's not enough incentitive. I'm a Fly Fisherman and I know that the majority of what I see on the shelves is for the Fisherman and not the fish, however there are those that believe because it's new it must be all that and then some and thus you've got a guy out there trying to catch fish with something that was designed only to catch the guys money.

I'll wait until LR has had the opportunity to thoroughly review your product and then for prices to become more reasonable before I invest my money in something that I could actually live without, at least for now that is. I do appreciate your input Cinerellik and have enjoyed this entire thread.

jakegub · Post by **jakegub** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:54 pm

Anyone know about my question about the DDRT firmware for some Linksys routers? My friend flashed the firmware and can change the priority of traffic over certain ports or to certain IPs. Seems like this might be just as useful

Schwarz · Post by **Schwarz** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:50 pm

Wow I had so many arguments with BFG in the past.
Going from reviewing, to viral marketing to hardware incompatibilities.
And I don't really want to get started on all this.

The problem that really makes all those reviews of the killernic obsolete is the fact that those cards have been tested online.
Probably BFG has tested them in a closed environment but testing it on the net is so unreliable...
Your computer 5% the net 95%.
Thats the easy way to describe it.
There is so many varibles outside of your computer that your results can never be conclusive.

Those cards have to be tested in a local area network.
Where network trafic is not a problem and all the other variables.
Testing it on a closed network with a few computers on a hub would make the results real.
Nothing could temper with your ping and so you would be able to see the difference between an onboard an addon and the killernic.

Anyways I have yet to see a "legit review" so to speak :p

Razorbacx · Post by **Razorbacx** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:13 pm

Schwarz wrote:Wow I had so many arguments with BFG in the past.
Going from reviewing, to viral marketing to hardware incompatibilities.
And I don't really want to get started on all this.

The problem that really makes all those reviews of the killernic obsolete is the fact that those cards have been tested online.
Probably BFG has tested them in a closed environment but testing it on the net is so unreliable...
Your computer 5% the net 95%.
Thats the easy way to describe it.
There is so many varibles outside of your computer that your results can never be conclusive.

Those cards have to be tested in a local area network.
Where network trafic is not a problem and all the other variables.
Testing it on a closed network with a few computers on a hub would make the results real.
Nothing could temper with your ping and so you would be able to see the difference between an onboard an addon and the killernic.

Anyways I have yet to see a "legit review" so to speak :p

Schwarz, I agree and disagree. First off I believe that a controlled test should be accomplished as I am sure Nate will do, however I also feel that the card should be tested in a real world environment that will answer how well this thing will perform for the common user and not just the LAN gamers. Sure there are variables that cannot be accounted for, but that is exactly what you should be shooting for to see how well this thing will perform outside of a LAN and in a home PC environment.

Schwarz · Post by **Schwarz** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:14 pm

But look at it this way.
You connect at 5:30 in the afternnon after you get back from work.
Play let's say CSS for half an hour with the KillerNIC on a New York server.
You are from Quebec.
You get a ping of 32-38
Then you go on to test an Intelnic
It is now 6:00PM.
Now all the kids are done with supper and its time to have some fun on the net.
Now you somehow get a ping of 42-48.
Now people start saying wow the killernic IS really good.

Now of course I exagerated on this but you get my driff.
I mean even a second can cause a ping spike or whatever.
Of course the best would be testing online but all in all I think it is too unpredictable to actually give scientifically proven and conclusive results.

Like I said I agree it HAS to be tested online but results should be taken lightly.