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Post by Wifuzzy » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:53 am

Nvidia Fermi GF100

A) A paper tiger that will be to expensive and draw to much power to be a REAL product
B) A great idea and is a home run for Nvidia
C) Nvidia has no hope of this making money this year and is play the "future" game

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Post by vbironchef » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:13 am

I would say A and C. When you need a case that is designed for a graphic card, you know it will turn alot of people off. I was looking forward to the Nvidia Fermi GF100. I quickly changed my mind after I saw the post about a case that was approved for the GC. When I made the jump to the GTX280, I had know idea that the heat and noise they would produce. I am very happy with quiet and low power GC's. The GTX280's I have now I have to turn off in the summer months.

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Post by InspectahACE » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:24 pm

I want to say B.

I highly doubt the case is "required" for it. I know mine will do just fine as will others be. Marketing's a bitch sometimes. Heat will be no doubt up there, noise maybe. But I expect that. I do have to say that I've never had to turn my rig off or slow it down from the heat of the video cards tho. Not even the 110+ weather here in Vegas made my 285's(or the 280 I had) hotter than 87C sooo, maybe it was the defective pair ya had Chef?
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Post by Wifuzzy » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:47 pm

I guess I should vote. I'm with vbironchef .. A and C. I think the only way this will be a available at a reasonable price is if Nvidia loses money on them. The card will be to costly and to hot and draw to much power...that said it should be a folding monster. I just can't get past the 280 watt thingy...SLI....you need your own reactor.
next year though..this thing could be the card to have...or a dinosaur....I just can't guesstimate which?

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Post by DMB2000uk » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:51 pm

I know most of the sales of graphics cards are mainstream tech (as opposed to the high end the GF100 will be), but Nvidia has been struggling to get a decent price/performance ratio on even that line for the last few months, so if the GF100 isn't a home run, I fear for the future of Nvidia. :finga:

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Post by ckthecerealkiller » Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:53 pm

I'd have to say C for sure. Unless Nvidia can get some really solid chip yields and still sell it at a high end price they aren't looking promising. This gen is shaping up to be very interesting for both AMD/Nvidia. I hope both of them learn something and we can let competition prevail.

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Post by DeusEx » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:36 pm

:partyman: A and C. Based on what ive been reading on the net. I hope they will have good competition for ATI since i plan to build a gaming rig this summer... And i want the prices to drop.

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Post by vbironchef » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:18 pm

I do see your point InspectahACE. I suppose it is Marketing, but what if it isn't. As far as my 280's go, I had RMA'd 3 cards. I use my air conditioner as little as possible to save on my electric bill. The graphic cards do make a nice room heater now. My Corsair hx1000 power supply is what is causing most of the noise along with all the computer fans going including the fans of the graphic cards. As far as being a folding beast. Yea one card will put up some great folding WU numbers but when you compare them to lets say a GTS250. A GTS250 will give me 6000PPD and a GTX280 will give me 7000PPD I would rather have the GTS250 that is using low power and a lot quieter and for a third of the price. Not to mention a quieter power supply as well. I mean the choice is up to you, but spending over 500 dollars in this economy as compared to under 200 dollars it seems to me like a no brainer. I beleve that 2010 will be the year of the tablet and graphics cards will be a second thought. Most people that bought high end graphic cards all ready did. They all went with ATI/AMD. To buy another high-end card right now seems a little pushing it.

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Post by shamrok3 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:44 am

I would say A. I think that ATi has just run away with the market with the 5000 series and nVidia has rushed the GF100 too much. Consider: ATi brought out 3(?) new graphics cards with the launch of the 5000 Series. They scored a big hit with having DX11 and amazing speeds. They were also easily competitive with the high end nVidias on Price/Performance, despite being brand-new. I think that if nVidia hadn't been rushing to catch up to ATi, they could have made the GF100 really good without raping your PSU or ears.
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Post by shamrok3 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:55 am

Also you (ironchef) said that you could get 6000PPD from a GTS250. :shock: I was getting ~3000PPD MAX from my OC'ed Phenom II, OC'ed 4890, 2.26C2D, 9800M GTS AND my PS3, 24hrs a day folding! Are you saying I could triple my PPD by buying a $120 GPU? I feel seriously ripped off, or maybe that there is something wrong with my clients that I'm only maxing 3000PPD from all of this. Yes, I know that AMDs and ATis are suck-ful at folding, but surely a 1GHZ 4890 isn't 1/6th the PPD of a GTS250, which is half the price and three times worse for gaming?
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Post by Wifuzzy » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:18 am

shamrok3 wrote:Also you (ironchef) said that you could get 6000PPD from a GTS250. :shock: I was getting ~3000PPD MAX from my OC'ed Phenom II, OC'ed 4890, 2.26C2D, 9800M GTS AND my PS3, 24hrs a day folding! Are you saying I could triple my PPD by buying a $120 GPU? I feel seriously ripped off, or maybe that there is something wrong with my clients that I'm only maxing 3000PPD from all of this. Yes, I know that AMDs and ATis are suck-ful at folding, but surely a 1GHZ 4890 isn't 1/6th the PPD of a GTS250, which is half the price and three times worse for gaming?
During the contest i borrowed a GTS 250 from a friend of mine. I was getting probably 5500 - 6000 PPD at stock settings. My ATI 3870 gets aroung 1800 PPD, 8800 GTS 512 gets 5200 - 5400 PPD, my 260 216 SP (factory OC)gets 6500 - 7000 PPD.
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Post by shamrok3 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:45 pm

*scratches head* Well my mega-OC'ed 4890 gets less points than your standard 3870... Now I know that there is something wrong. Also I think my 9800M GTS should be getting more than ~500-700PPD.
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Post by Apoptosis » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:30 pm

NVIDIA said that GF100 will do very well for [email protected] I asked them last week in a room with a half a dozen GF100 cards running, so I'll take it that they know.
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Post by vbironchef » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:18 am

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/ ... =&u=223308 This will show you my PPD with just one GTS 250 graphic card running.

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Post by Wifuzzy » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:49 am

vbironchef wrote:http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/ ... =&u=223308 This will show you my PPD with just one GTS 250 graphic card running.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ....stop...it hurts.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by shamrok3 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:58 pm

:( I still have no idea why my points are so low. :cry: :-k Any suggestions? Imma run my GPU on a different account for a couple of days to see exactly how much PPD I get from it... :rolleyes:
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Post by vbironchef » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:12 pm

I hope you are getting your Clients from this page. http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther If not, then no wonder your points are so low. Question: Are you saying I could triple my PPD by buying a $120 GPU? Answer: Yes.

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Post by shamrok3 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:40 am

Yeah, I'm using the latest GPU2 standard version, and the special nVidia viewer version on my laptop (9800m GTS).
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Post by Wifuzzy » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:27 am

Ahhh...you have a mobile 9800, for a lap top. They are not like the desktop parts. They are clocked lower to save power. That might explain part of your problem. Also...1000 mhz on the 4890....might want to back that down a little...it might be causing the card to under perform....just a thought.

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