Vista will need ECC!!!

Post by **DMB2000uk** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:15 am

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/02/06/ecc_for_vista/

Vista needs ECC RAM to run stably?!?!

Argh!

I hope that just decent DDR2 will suffice, as im not sure i want the wallet and performace hit when i upgrade to vista!

Dan

Post by **FZ1** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:44 am

Nah...that's what they recommend. Average Joe Homeuser might use ECC but I can't see the enthusiast community using them. Too expensive and slow.

Post by **Apoptosis** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:51 am

yeah i don't think ECC will catch on for home users, but i do see many big companies that might but into ECC if they market it right.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:03 am

We might see the prices of ECC ram dropping, just like it did when the first AMD FX (s940) chip came out.......

It still won't be embraced buy us the enthusiasts, there's the added latency and also no overclocking.....

But if the prices come down, then the likes of Dell may use it....It will mean more stable systems and less support calls for them

This will also mean M$ will have no excuses for BSOD's, they can't blame the OEM.....we will now have justification to blame their poor programming ;)

Post by **Apoptosis** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:27 am

DDR2 prices are on the rise... up 18% this month alone... it's not going to get cheaper for the time being. Plus you know how expensive DDR2 800MHz with ECC will be? The next generation Intel platforms will run 800MHz memory, so if you need ECC support ..... you get the picture.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:32 am

Apoptosis wrote:DDR2 prices are on the rise... up 18% this month alone... it's not going to get cheaper for the time being. Plus you know how expensive DDR2 800MHz with ECC will be? The next generation Intel platforms will run 800MHz memory, so if you need ECC support ..... you get the picture.

Opps
I wasn't thinking of DDR2 @ all

AND AMD will be DDR2.......

zachig · Post by **zachig** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:30 pm

I wouldn't jump into conclusions so fast. There's still a lot of time till the release of the VISTA Operating System. I've also heard some rumors that since it uses a "Glass Effect" it will be so heavy that more than 50% of the current PC in the world won't be able to rub it properly.

Forgive me, but I personally think that this is bul***it. I guess it will be OK finally. But, for the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see....

T-Shirt · Post by **T-Shirt** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:40 pm

zachig wrote:I wouldn't jump into conclusions so fast. There's still a lot of time till the release of the VISTA Operating System. I've also heard some rumors that since it uses a "Glass Effect" it will be so heavy that more than 50% of the current PC in the world won't be able to rub it properly.

Forgive me, but I personally think that this is bul***it. I guess it will be OK finally. But, for the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see....

Vista will pretty much require all new hardware, which will slow the demand (for both vista and HW) and eventually drive the price down, it will just take longer.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:47 pm

The reason why they say "50% of computers can't run Vista" is because of, lack of ram or outdated GFX cards......Most people are using intel intergrated GFX or very basic GFX cards......

Vista will run fine with an old GFX card.....but you won't be able to use the "glass effect"

I wouldn't worry about it too much.....M$ are not stupid....they are not going to release an OS which requires a whole new pc........they know the value of the $$$ more than most of us ;P

Post by **DMB2000uk** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:56 pm

zachig: Did you read the article?
I know its tomshardware, but most of the stuff they say is right.

Vista will run on more than 50% of computers, it just means that extra features will have to be turned off.

Dan

zachig · Post by **zachig** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:26 pm

DMB2000uk wrote:zachig: Did you read the article?
I know its tomshardware, but most of the stuff they say is right.

Vista will run on more than 50% of computers, it just means that extra features will have to be turned off.

Dan

Sorry, maybe I didn't understand it right, as I read the article a few days ago and I haven't read it thoroughly.

Anyway, I think it was on "tomshardware" and thanks for inlightening me.

T-Shirt · Post by **T-Shirt** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:48 am

DMB2000uk wrote:zachig: Did you read the article?
I know its tomshardware, but most of the stuff they say is right.

Vista will run on more than 50% of computers, it just means that extra features will have to be turned off.

Dan

And what's the point of buying a new O/S if you can't use the new features?
I'm not saying you can't run it (Win 98 COULD run on a 486 with 32MB of RAM...If you weren't in too much of a hurry

) just it won't run well, nor add the reliablity and features that is the whole point of upgrading (IMHO)
This new generation of software really needs the new generation of hardware for best results.

Post by **DMB2000uk** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:12 pm

This new generation of software really needs the new generation of hardware for best results.

I agree, thats why I'm miffed that Microsoft is 'reccommending' ECC RAM, because it suxorz, with the price and decreased performance.

Dan

liqnit · Post by **liqnit** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:00 am

ECC sure can help Microsoft remove some truoble coming from bad ram .
but from to say that ECC is better for everyone
forgive me but it is like saying that driving a tank is safer the driving a car.
i know it is but i wouldn't do it because it will slower and a lot more expensive

pointreyes · Post by **pointreyes** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:49 am

From 7/2004 results with registered ECC RAM in my dual Opteron system that I had:
SiSoftware Sandra

Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int ALU : 3491MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float FPU : 3795MB/s

That was unbuffered results.

ECC might be slow but not necessarily as slow as many of you are exclaiming about it. The sticks I was using had 2-3-2 timings by default. In fact, my motherboard would not allow me to change the timings.

Like Apoptosis said about ECC will not catch on for home users is what I'm thinking as well.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:32 pm

Why Windows Vista Won't Suck

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1 ... 913,00.asp

Interesting read and some nice screenshots to boot