Apple to force dual booters to upgrade os?

[dgood]

I just read an e-mail I got from apple computers about the boot camp beta. I know it's no longer in beta, but they shouldn't' force people to upgrade the os just to use it since their new version has it built in. They should allow those who are using it that have no desire to upgrade to retain the features they use on a daily basis. That's such a dick move if that's that case.

[DMB2000uk]

Seems apple is making a few bad business decisions lately, like not offering people who bought a mac like a month before lepoard a free upgrade, and others that toms hardware or someone were moaning about.

Dan

[pastorjay]

Have they made some bad moves? Maybe, but consider this:

Apple did offer those that bought a Mac within about 30 days a free upgrade. It has also been known for a long time when the OS would be released, so those that bought and cried should have known better. There has to be a cut off somewhere. Does it suck? Yes! But many could have avoided it by waiting a few more weeks. (Most do not know how to wait for anything... everyone wants it now!)

As far as Bootcamp is concerned, Apple announced all along that it was Beta, and that when the new OS released that it would not be available for free anymore. You do not have to upgrade to the new OS, you can stick with Tiger and run the Beta. On the other hand, maybe Apple should not have released it as a Beta at all, and just waited for the new OS to release, but then we would not have anything to complain about. Once again, this has been known for a while, so there is no justification to cry about it.

Another supposed Oops! for Apple was the price drop of the iphone. Apple had every right to drop the price if they wanted to. Every new gadget comes out at a higher price, and will drop drastically after time. That is nothing new. Maybe the iphone dropped faster than most, and that did suck for the early adoptors, but that is what happens when you buy the hottest and newest toy. I personally thought it was totally unnecessary for Apple to offer the $100 credits, but they were kind, when they did not have to be. Once again, it all came down to wanting instant gratification and then regretting it once the newness wore off.

If you want to talk about forcing things on people and then trying to make up for it, look how fast Micro$oft backpedaled on Vista!

By the way, I like both Leopard and Vista!

[DMB2000uk]

I just realised, i was trying to find something to come back with that is bad about apple and lepoard.

I think i have been conditioned anti apple for some reason (Secretly, i think it's jealousy )

I do need a new ipod, hmm.

Dan

[dkarko]

you can stick with Tiger and run the Beta. On the other hand, maybe Apple should not have released it as a Beta at all, and just waited for the new OS to release, but then we would not have anything to complain about. Once again, this has been known for a while, so there is no justification to cry about it.

Well its not that simple. The thing is that Apple marketed bootcamp (if i'm correct), like you can have the best of both worlds. But apart from being a beta (and thus refusing any problems-damage that it caused in some/few cases) then its you either update or no bootcamp. Can you stick with beta? I thought it was supposed to expire, not sure though, maybe they changed that. Can you still download it from Apple? Since the licence is expired is it legal to use it? Or
"Apple says that users can continue using Boot Camp Beta by upgrading to Boot Camp Beta 1.4, but warns that that "the license to use Boot Camp Beta expires when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard is available to the public. To continue using Boot Camp at that time, upgrade to Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard."

About the price, you are right, they have the right to drop it as and when they like. But what said is that it was a bad decision (such fast drop + officially known or rumoured?, if you blame the customers for not waiting a few weeks before buying a mac then you should also blame the company for not waiting few weeks before launching with the right price). That is that the ones who usually run to buy something (of Apple this time) are usually its devoted fans + people who want to have it first. So it was a bad decision cause it messed these people up! The fact that it gave back credit (again, having or not having to, marketing nicely a bad move or just being nice doesnt matter its just nice in the end) is just a simple proof of that. Apart from these its a cool gadget, i've used it a bit and it was nice (hacked and unlocked)

[pastorjay]

you can stick with Tiger and run the Beta. On the other hand, maybe Apple should not have released it as a Beta at all, and just waited for the new OS to release, but then we would not have anything to complain about. Once again, this has been known for a while, so there is no justification to cry about it.

Well its not that simple. The thing is that Apple marketed bootcamp (if i'm correct), like you can have the best of both worlds. But apart from being a beta (and thus refusing any problems-damage that it caused in some/few cases) then its you either update or no bootcamp. Can you stick with beta? I thought it was supposed to expire, not sure though, maybe they changed that. Can you still download it from Apple? Since the licence is expired is it legal to use it? Or
"Apple says that users can continue using Boot Camp Beta by upgrading to Boot Camp Beta 1.4, but warns that that "the license to use Boot Camp Beta expires when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard is available to the public. To continue using Boot Camp at that time, upgrade to Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard."

About the price, you are right, they have the right to drop it as and when they like. But what said is that it was a bad decision (such fast drop + officially known or rumoured?, if you blame the customers for not waiting a few weeks before buying a mac then you should also blame the company for not waiting few weeks before launching with the right price). That is that the ones who usually run to buy something (of Apple this time) are usually its devoted fans + people who want to have it first. So it was a bad decision cause it messed these people up! The fact that it gave back credit (again, having or not having to, marketing nicely a bad move or just being nice doesnt matter its just nice in the end) is just a simple proof of that. Apart from these its a cool gadget, i've used it a bit and it was nice (hacked and unlocked)

I think it is that simple though. It was said from the beginning, this is a beta, and it will cease at the point of the launch of the new OS when it becomes an official release product. They were upfront about it. It is kind of like using a demo of Nero or Adobe stuff... you get to use it for 30 days, but then you have to buy it or delete it. At least in Apples case with Bootcamp, they have not as of yet disabled the last beta. Will they? Who knows, but you can still use it for now.

As far as the price drop, every new tech gadget comes out at a higher price. I have paid/wasted a lot of money on the best a newest and lost a lot when I sell it just so I could have the newest stuff. In the end, it was my decision. I cannot go back to a company and say, "I am mad that you dropped the price and I am gonna sue. (Well I could, but it would be asinine, yet typical of our country full winey babies) ."

As far as launching at the right price, the price must have been right for those that paid the ridiculous prices to have their shiny new gadget. There was no gun put to their head to buy... they wanted to, and now they regret it because it is cheaper. Apple did not "mess anyone up." No ones life was lost or harmed. In the end, they chose to buy a product at a higher price, or a product that had its OS updated soon after. They got what they paid for.

And they are really cool gadgets! I plan on getting an iphone next year (waiting for prices to drop and updates to happen )

[FZ1]

I think it is that simple though. It was said from the beginning, this is a beta, and it will cease at the point of the launch of the new OS when it becomes an official release product. They were upfront about it.

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