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The UPS Guy Came Yesterday!

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OK My quickie "user review" of the Visiontek HD4870.

For some history:

1) I'm not an extreme overclocker. My E6850 is running decently cool @ 3.46G on stock cooling with no voltage adjustments.

2) I am not a benchmarker, all observations are based upon a standard desktop system with a bunch of gunk running in the background and my "regular user" based opinion.

3) I questioned whether upgrading from my MSI 8800GT would be worth it, I don't game much (no time) but really enjoy it when I do.

Now for a generic user review of the Visiontek 4870...

Ordered this from "The Egg" and, for the first time, was SLIGHTLY disappointed (the Egg has spoiled me with ship times). Price was $10 USD over MSRP but that seems to be the norm and a much better markup compared to when I bought my 8800GT 7 months ago.

Received it today so here are my initial impressions...

Packaging:

Came in a pretty 4 sided box with a bunch of labels (including a "Max Effect" hint but, as others have said, no game). Inside was a black 6 sided box...

Inside the black 6 sided box was the card in a non-sealed static bag and the normal adapters (DVI to HDMI, DVI to VGA, and a component adapter. Also included were two double four pin molex to 6 pin PCI-E power adapters a video out to composite adapter and a Crossfire bridge.

The card itself was very vanilla, not only was there no "Visiontek" sticker (despite the pictures I've seen in reviews) there wasn't even a "Radeon" sticker, just a clear red cooler shroud and an ATI sticker on the squirrel cage fan. I must say I liked this however as the cooler looks kinda' cool and I don't have a side window on my case anyway so it doesn't matter.

In short; the packaging is vanilla and doesn't speak much to "customer appeal". I guess I've been spoiled by the likes of XfX, EVGA and the Nvidia resellers but it seems, with PowerColor, VisionTek, Diamond etc that the "presentation" and bundle has been lost on ATI/AMD resellers.


Performance:

NOTE I installed nothing from the CD, I installed the Catalyst 8.7 beta directly.

I was worried that I would not see a great performance increase upgrading from the 8800GT but I was wrong. I got a ~2k increase across the board (Vantage and '06) in the Futuremark benches but I have noticed a big leap in gaming smoothness. I can't quantify this but it's my perception and since it's my money :). All said I think it was worth it.

Games played: Hellgate London (induced my first RSOD crash under Vista 64 EVER), CoD4, HL2, Guildwars, Bioshock etc...

Brief examples (don't have the 8800GT runs to compare unfortunately)

Example 1 - Crysis Demo, Very High settings, 1680x1050, 2x AA

Play Time: 107.58s, Average FPS: 18.59
Min FPS: 8.82 at frame 1926, Max FPS: 21.30 at frame 866

Example 2 - Crysis Demo, Very High settings, 1920x1080, No AA

Play Time: 100.33s, Average FPS: 19.93
Min FPS: 14.67 at frame 1938, Max FPS: 22.75 at frame 874

Example 3 - Crysis Demo, High settings, 1920x1200, 2x AA

Play Time: 72.71s, Average FPS: 27.51
Min FPS: 14.49 at frame 1306, Max FPS: 31.88 at frame 1002

I'm not a big Crysis guy but I have heard that it eats video cards for lunch so I don't think the above is too bad. In actually playing a bit of the demo in example 1 and 2 it seems pretty fluid and playable to me. I have seen all of my other games show definite improvement at higher res and quality settings.

Please keep in mind that this a user configured system with minimal process tweaking and a bunch of stuff running in the background.

Pros:


- Danged fast for a $300 card.
- Relatively quiet (the 8800GT was a real screamer under load).
- Dual slot doesn't heat up the case as much.
- Price/Performance is great

Cons:

- HOT! HOT! HOT! at idle. Mine idles at 77-78C just sitting at the desktop but doesn't go over 83C under load, need to look at the manual fan adjustment mod ;)
- Still like NV resellers better. I just get a better "consumer feel" from the likes of EVGA and XfX than I do Sapphire, Powercolor, or Visiontek.
- Vanilla bundle and no "Mass Effect" in the box despite the sticker on the front. To be fair the "What's Included" on the box is pretty clear but the packaging could be misleading.

All in all I am pretty happy with this upgrade especially at the price. My old (a whopping 7 months) 8800GT was a very capable card in it's own right but I think AMD/ATI has a winner on it's hands with the 770 :) I think the 8800GT will be selling soon.
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nice... temp numbers are spot on with what I posted in the review... Have any pictures?
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Apoptosis wrote:nice... temp numbers are spot on with what I posted in the review... Have any pictures?
Thanks Apop, I wanted to approach it from the "average Joe user" perspective, I'll leave the cool in-depth stuff to you guys :)

No I didn't snap any pics because I was too excited to get it into the box and start playing, however I think I unseated a SATA connector on my second drive re-routing cables and installing the second 6 pin PCI-E connector so I need to open her up again and I'll snap a pic or two (they'll be a bit boring though).

The LR review is why I didn't go into a panic when my temps went so high at idle. The temps under load don't climb much and the fan noise under load doesn't come close to my 8800GT so, yep it was spot on, but I still think it's too hot under idle. My concern with the "manual" fan speed fix is that the fan doesn't spool up when temps climb so there is the potential, if you set the speed too low, that after hours of hardcore gaming that the card will overheat and most users aren't going to be monitoring their temps on a regular basis. Either way I'm sure that updated Catalysts will fix this issue in short order.

It's nice to see AMD pushing the bar from the middle and I think they flat nailed it with the 48xx. There must be a bit of panic going on in the "green" offices about now :evil:
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panic is safe to assume... check out NVIDIA stock prices in the past week... down ~30%

Strong pressure from AMD and faulty notebook GPU's that are costing them upwards of $200 million dollars has pounded the stock.

Check out this chart for one year...
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panic... oh I'd say so... They closed today at $11.82, which is another loss. AMD and Intel were down 8% and 5% today though too as the market is killing tech stocks this month.
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Ok, after 5 days my opinion has changed a bit... I REALLY like this card :supz:

After playing awhile I definitely noticed a much smoother gameplay experience in several games (Bioshock, CoD4, Hellgate London, Crysis demo) with the eye candy cranked.

There is a large difference in 3dmark Vantage numbers as well but I only really use those as a direct comparison of my system before and after an upgrade. So time to apply the manual fan adjust mod and try to bump the clocks a bit...

I had an issue with the CCC where my custom profiles wouldn't show on the profiles list so I deleted all old profiles and started fresh. Saved the default for rollback purposes and set the fan speed to 100% in the profile and applied (man that suckers loud at 100%), I let this run for 10 minutes to cool the card down and set the speed to 50, 45, 40% in that order so I could find an acceptable noise level vs. cooling. 40% is my sweet spot but still noticable, I think I'm gonna try 35% later.

Went from 77-78c idle and 83-85c load to 44-45 idle and 63-65 load, not too shabby...

So I used the CCC Overdrive panel and set the GPU and Memory clocks to the max CCC allows (790/1100 respectively) and fired up ATITool 0.27 and launched an artifact scan. This runs the GPU usage to 96-97% according to CCC it's been running for 45 minutes now with no errors. This is a relatively modest OC I think and gained me a bit in Vantage scores but you more adventurous types may have some headroom with these.

The OC only upped the temps accros the board by a couple of degrees (after 45 minutes of the artifact scan she sits at 68-69c loaded) so I'm just going to leave it as is.

The only issue I have had is with a couple of "Red Screens O Death" caused by Hellgate London. I don't think this is the card though as HG:L is about as stable as my wife when she sees a charge to the "Egg" on the credit card :evil: . I haven't played HG:L in a while and it could be the recent slight overclock, a Catalyst issue, a recent Vista patch, or just the damned game (I like it but it seems to be a work in progress at times) I can't wait for Diablo III.

All in all, for those gaming at higher resolutions with a G92 (24"-30") and are either thinking SLI (I'm single card guy myself) or GTX260/280, you may want to consider a 4870 for your money. If you are gaming at 1280x1024 or (God forbid) 1024x768 then spend the money on a better display, THEN get a 4870! :supz:

EDIT - A note for the manual fan speed issue. It's been stated that you may have to re-apply the profile on a reboot, If you go to Advanced when saving the profile there is an option to "Launch From: a shortcut on the desktop", this will create a desktop shortcut which you can copy into your Startup folder and voila! Works great for me.
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