New Orleans residents staying put

rayoflight · Post by **rayoflight** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:12 pm

How does everyone feel about the residents who are staying? I really feel bad for them because they are dirt poor and really don't have options. Or at least they don't feel they do. What a very sad situation there!!

rayoflight · Post by **rayoflight** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:49 pm

Woops, I meant to add this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9229964/

Amy · Post by **Amy** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:57 pm

I don't think it's that they are dirt poor -- I don't think that necessarily has anything to with it. I think it is more that they are so deeply rooted where they are (My mom's great-grandfather built this house, and I"m not going to see it go to looters!) (I was born and raised here, lived here for 62 years, no reason I should leave now) that they are afraid of change. They would rather die than live to see their home wrecked by something other than the force of nature.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:23 pm

People are in complete shock and panic... They are clinging onto all they have left..(don't blame them).. They must feel that if they leave then that's it..... All over......

Staying keeps that little bit of hope alive

Being poor means nothing at all!!! Everyone who is left there is now poor (where personal posessions are corncerned)

There is also the fact that, to some extent there is no law.. so they are afraid of looters etc. (as Amy said)

Fear/Hope is all that's left....for now!

On a plus note... Aid and general help seems to be getting in where it's needed... but will be a slow process..

rayoflight · Post by **rayoflight** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:34 pm

Well all that is true...but i would imagine a lot of the people possibly had no insurance because they are working a job that bairly pays their bills. A lot of the NO residents had multiple family members living together to make ends meet. People that had more means I'm sure would want to salvage what they had but would get out and come back later. The people that don't feel like they have a choice (if they had money and support outdside of their family home) I bet they would leave and come back. They just don't have anything to go to. Hell, if I had space I'd let people in my place to help out. My neighbor is a school teacher for Francis Howell (St. Charles Area for those who aren't familiar) and they had 2 kids enroll today from NO at her school. It's just so sad and some preparation to prevent all of this SHOULD have been done.

Brueck · Post by **Brueck** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:56 am

I am amazed at the number of people out there who are bashing the people that tried to stay in New Orleans and got stuck. I don't care how foolish some of their reason were for staying, no one should be treated the way that they were. I don't know if anyone saw Oprah yesterday but it almost made me throw up. It is completely inhumane how the people there have been and are being treated. I don't blame the people that are down there helping at all, it's just a shame that help had to come way too late. Oprah was talking about how they are putting people into the morgue that are still alive to let them "die in peace." All we can do now is pray for the people that there and that this chaos won't happen again.

LVCapo · Post by **LVCapo** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:33 am

Oprah....LMAO, one of her meals would probably sustain a few hundred people a week.
This whole thing falls on the local government for not acting quicker and more forcefully. they had over 500 buses that sat in a lot all through the flood.....the NHC pleaded with the Mayor and Govenor to get everyone out and they did not do anything.
Even after being told to leave, most people blew off the evacuation orders (hell, less than 24 hours prior, Shep Smith was at bars downtown interviewing locals who said they werren't leaving because NO never gets hit and they'd be okay...whoops).
So my compassion is pretty much gone at this point. All the looting, rapes, murders....screw these people....that stuff didn't happen in places hit worse!!!
Now we have these people being allowed to go back in and get their stuff, but they say they won't leeave? Let them rot! Why should rescuers risk their lives continuously for idiotts who time after time ignore warnings and orders to evac? If they want to stay at this point, great, let them stay...but in two weeks when they are eating kitty litter and dirt, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Brueck · Post by **Brueck** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:08 am

What about all of the children and animals that were left there because their parents refused to evacuate? It makes me sick!

Bio-Hazard · Post by **Bio-Hazard** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:09 am

capper5016 wrote:Oprah....LMAO, one of her meals would probably sustain a few hundred people a week.
This whole thing falls on the local government for not acting quicker and more forcefully. they had over 500 buses that sat in a lot all through the flood.....the NHC pleaded with the Mayor and Govenor to get everyone out and they did not do anything.
Even after being told to leave, most people blew off the evacuation orders (hell, less than 24 hours prior, Shep Smith was at bars downtown interviewing locals who said they werren't leaving because NO never gets hit and they'd be okay...whoops).
So my compassion is pretty much gone at this point. All the looting, rapes, murders....screw these people....that stuff didn't happen in places hit worse!!!
Now we have these people being allowed to go back in and get their stuff, but they say they won't leeave? Let them rot! Why should rescuers risk their lives continuously for idiotts who time after time ignore warnings and orders to evac? If they want to stay at this point, great, let them stay...but in two weeks when they are eating kitty litter and dirt, they have no one to blame but themselves.

I agree 100%..........

And that doesn't happen very often with me.

I guess it's because we're both retired military and know the way things are supposed to run/work.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:11 am

Did Opera donate anything? (apart from the usual verbal diaroea)....

Post by **Illuminati** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:43 am

I heard on the news this morning that the New Orleans Mayor gave the OK for authorities to USE FORCE to remove residents from the area...

The main threat is the disease and toxicity of the standing water.

Bio-Hazard · Post by **Bio-Hazard** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:44 am

Just so you all know, this is taken from the City of New Orleans Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan.

So who failed in doing their job in the first place.

And this is only for a Cat 3 storm.

"A. Evacuation Time Requirements

Using information developed as part of the Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Task Force and other research, the City of New Orleans has established a maximum acceptable hurricane evacuation time standard for a Category 3 storm event of 72 hours. This is based on clearance time or is the time required to clear all vehicles evacuating in response to a hurricane situation from area roadways. Clearance time begins when the first evacuating vehicle enters the road network and ends when the last evacuating vehicle reaches its destination.

Clearance time also includes the time required by evacuees to secure their homes and prepare to leave (mobilization time); the time spent by evacuees traveling along the road network (travel time); and the time spent by evacuees waiting along the road network due to traffic congestion (delay time). Clearance time does not refer to the time a single vehicle spends traveling on the road network. Evacuation notices or orders will be issued during three stages prior to gale force winds making landfall.

> Precautionary Evacuation Notice: 72 hours or less

> Special Needs Evacuation Order: 8-12 hours after Precautionary Evacuation Notice issued

> General Evacuation Notice: 48 hours or less "

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

LVCapo · Post by **LVCapo** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:19 pm

Yeah, you know BIO, it just makes too much sense to blame the Pres and the Federal Government!!!
Even after all these facts surface, the Mayopr and Governor have the nerve to bitch at FEMA and President Bush.....and our wonderful liberal media , which should be reporting facts, just totally ignores gems like what you just posted, as well as the pictures of all those unused buses sitting in lots....and the fact that the head of The National Hurrican Service pleaded with the state and local officals to get everyone out.
At this point, those people that refuse to leave are on their own. I wouldn't risk a single rescuers life to save anyone, if simply because these people have ignored warning after warning.
The animals are a different story, if they can be reached, grab them. They had no choice in the matter.

Amy · Post by **Amy** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:12 pm

capper5016 wrote: they had over 500 buses that sat in a lot all through the flood.....the NHC pleaded with the Mayor and Govenor to get everyone out and they did not do anything.

I never heard this...where did this info come from?

LVCapo · Post by **LVCapo** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:00 pm

It was actually on all the news networks yesterday, but started on Fox the day before.....it came about becuase a series of pictures made the news showing the flooding....one of the pictures was of a school bus yard (only about 1-2 feet of water on the ground) with every single bus just sitting there unused......there was another picutre showing the city's transit buses sitting there much the same way.