Legit Reviews armed with an AK47 meets 17 inch KDS Monitor

Bigedmond · Post by **Bigedmond** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:33 am

Nobahar wrote:Wait, how is getting an ak legal?

Because the laws allow it. It depends on what state you live in, since some have other restrictions, like California. They are very tight on what riffles you can get.

Your probably thinking that an AK is a machine gun, which its not. it is a semi-automatic riffle. Meaning, if you squeeze the trigger, only 1 round will fire per squeeze. Now you can buy fully-automatic Ak’s but they are a lot harder to find, and way more expensive. Plus, there is a lot of paperwork involved.

Nobahar · Post by **Nobahar** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:20 pm

Can't you just alter an ak yourself to make it fully automatic?

What's the point of having any of those guns aside from relieving stress at the range? It's not like you go hunting with an AK.

I'm not against guns, but I never saw what advantages there are to legalizing high-powered rifles and assault weapons. The risk that someone gets one and goes on a kill rampage seems to far outweigh whatever benefits there are in having them. Maybe I just don't understand it, haha.

Figures with the double standards of our government. Tighten airport security and make flying annoying for everyone, yet fail to tighten any regulation on the ease of obtaining weapons.

I like revolvers personally. And not for use as much as for aesthetic value.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:23 pm

Just Crazy!!!

I can never understand America... (the country that is!)

As Nobahar said...

Nobahar wrote:Figures with the double standards of our government. Tighten airport security and make flying annoying for everyone, yet fail to tighten any regulation on the ease of obtaining weapons.

There is NO need for anyone to have a gun @ home..... I don't think the English are gonna come back to claim their land back....;) there is no real danger to citizens in the world where they need to have a gun within arms reach... @ least not in the west....

They mayby great fun... but.....?

I don't want to come accross as a "born again christian" but.... How easy is it to buy one.. then you get burgled.....most people say if someone breaks into their house they can legally "kill them" (ie. if they are a threat to you life, you can use reasonable force to protect yourself, but what if the thief gets to the gun first? = your "brown bread" and he's away with your loot and your gun!)

I understand that my culture is different, I'm not judging... Just don't understand why, that's all

Apop.... that sure looks cool and fun.... (me thinks a perfect bullet hole through my P4 would be the perfect salute to AMD, make a nice keyring too... lol)

Dragon_Cooler · Post by **Dragon_Cooler** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:40 pm

man if i saw someone running off with my computer or any of my stuff.....

of course a verbal warning, but if nothing i would open fire, in hope of not hitting my stuff. living in todays world its almost required to have one with the violence that goes on. That and govt. conspiracies. LOL But on a serious note, its a fine line. we wouldnt need one if the bad person didnt have one so that we would need one. (if that makes since) However i would love to own a shotgun for dove hunting. lol i went for the first time last year and it was fun as hell!!! and for those occational monitors that break down, and fax machines. "Pc load letter, that the F*** does that mean!!!!"

gvblake22 · Post by **gvblake22** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:42 pm

There's more to owning firearms than just personal defense. Most firarms owners have them because it is either a hobby (like computers is for us), are collectables/antiques, or are used for sport like hunting and target shooting. I come from a household with MANY MANY guns and ever since I can remember my dad has tought us the importance of handling a firearm with care and precision. My brother, my dad, and my dad's dad have been hunting thier whole lives and shooting guns is just a part of what they love to do.
Really the only other aspect to the right of the people to keep and bear arms is for the reason you touched on, self defense. In the case of a man to man encounter when a gun is involved, it can get messy and there are a lot of things that can happen and possibly go wrong, there's really no good answer to self defense. The other part of the whole "defense" thing is more on a nationwide scale. If you think about it, it would be VERY difficult for another country to invade or control a country that is armed to the teeth from the average joe sixpack in the hills of appalachia to the miniguns on the blackhawk helecopters. I'm not saying that we're gonna get attacked by a country anytime, but there will always be that possiblility no matter how much we don't want to think about it happening.

But although I am all for the ownership of firearms, there are TONS of people that have guns that shouldn't. Criminals obviously being the worst of these people, but also people that have them just so they can wave them around and feel like they are unstoppable. But even if guns were banned somehow I don't think it would make a difference as far as murders. Think about it: do criminals follow the law? No, that's why they are criminals. So why would they willingly give up their guns because they should follow the law? Exactly, they won't. Then we have a huge population of people with ill intents and are armed against the rest of the people with no way to fight back. And even if their guns were taken away, do you think they won't find a way to still find them? Absolutely not, they are still criminals with a criminal mind and criminal connections. They will smuggle them in or whatever they have to do to get them. They do the same things with all other kinds of illegal things (drugs, money, etc.)

Ok, I probably went off on a huge tangent there, but I just wanted to add my thoughts in on this issue. Don't worry kenc, I'm not bashing on you, I'm just talking about the whole subject of gun control in general.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:46 pm

bubba · Post by **bubba** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:15 pm

I have several guns in my collection, what is funny is the one that gets used the most is the smallest, my pellet rifle. But I hunt, long distance shoot, shoot trap (sporting clays), IDPA shoots for fun, and reload my own ammo. When my boy gets old enough, and if he wants, I'll get him into JR. shoots with air rifles and let him progress from there.

As for our gun laws, they are much tighter now than 10-15 years ago, thank you clinton, now if you go to buy a shot gun, or any long gun for that matter, they have to call a number for a quick check before you can leave with the weapon, this is good, but some of the anoying laws are on clip capacity, fixed vs removable clips stuff like that.

but laws dont mean squat to criminals, if they want something bad enough they will get it, just like anything else.

gvblake22 · Post by **gvblake22** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:22 pm

bubba wrote:but laws dont mean squat to criminals, if they want something bad enough they will get it, just like anything else.

Exactly what I was trying to say. Well put, I just need to figure out how to make a long story short

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:29 pm

bubba wrote:but laws dont mean squat to criminals, if they want something bad enough they will get it, just like anything else.

BUT if there is a gun in every house there more acessable!

Dragon_Cooler · Post by **Dragon_Cooler** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:22 pm

all i can say is look at what prohibition did to alcohol in the early 1900's. it created more crime. lol i dont think it will get to the point of banning firearms.
I dont think they should. LOL its funny we went from having fun shooting the crap out of a monitor to debating whether we should have guns or not.... LOL

I still think the govt will come take over everything, not the other countries. LOLOL

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:43 pm

wow that's awesome. Try a Nalgene bottle...

LVCapo · Post by **LVCapo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:48 pm

making a weapon automatic is mostly as easy as filing down the sear.....but there are several reasons not to do this unless you know exactly what you are doing. There is also no reason for anyone to have a fuly automatic weapon, no reason at all.
You can get an automatic weapon legally if you are a collector or have other special permission.
As to owning weapons, everyone hs that right, I understand that some may disagree, and that some wrongly think it is part of the 2nd amedment, but the idea behind that was "the right to bear arms as part of an organized militia."
I think we all deserve to be able to have weapons if we choose....I don't like liberals picking and choosing what freedoms we deserve, then crying foul when something they want gets shot down....you either believe in basic rights, or you don't. I also believe before you start taking away guns, you ban tobacco, because it kills more people, and approve health care for everyone.
Lastly, if you ban guns, the only people you are penalizing are the people who do things right, the people who licence and register their weapons.....the dirtbags who rob and steal, and kill are still going to have theirs.

Bigedmond · Post by **Bigedmond** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:02 pm

capper5016 wrote:I think we all deserve to be able to have weapons if we choose....I don't like liberals picking and choosing what freedoms we deserve, then crying foul when something they want gets shot down....you either believe in basic rights, or you don't. I also believe before you start taking away guns, you ban tobacco, because it kills more people, and approve health care for everyone.
Lastly, if you ban guns, the only people you are penalizing are the people who do things right, the people who licence and register their weapons.....the dirtbags who rob and steal, and kill are still going to have theirs.

AMEN!!!!!

The truth about guns is, there is not evidence to show either way. For or against guns. But remember, Criminals dont care if they are breaking a law of not, so why would they care if tehy break a gun law.

Nobahar. Its pretty obvious that you do not know a whole lot about gun ownership, or gun laws. Every person that buys a gun from a store, or gun dealer has to get a back ground check. The regulations of getting a gun are pretty tight, to me. And i really would not liket o see them any tighter.

I have read alot of Liberal press saying how guns need to be taken away from everyone. If it is done, you will see the sale of firearm go under ground lihe the sale of alcohol did when prohibition was inforce. Another thing, if all homes have no guns, those criminals with them will have nothing to stop them from entering a home. There will be no fear of the owner, so they will do as they please. I mean, you cant expect the criminal to obey the law. Plus, if "no citizens have guns" because they are illegal, why would the police need them? Now the people that are suppose to protect you are unarmed.

Lastly, Nobahar. you mention the risk. What is more dangerous. A gun in the arms of an adult, or a car with a drunk driver behind the wheel. I bet you can guess which kills more americas per year. And its not the gun. Yup, vehicles kill more people per year, but you dont see a ban on them coming anytime soon do you.

The plain fact. A gun is a tool, like a knife, or a car. Each are extremely dangerous if in the wrong hands. Its the person that is in control of said tools that makes the difference.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:04 pm

I was talking about how widespread guns and acessabilty of guns as the problem... Some say "it's not the gun which kills people, its the person holding it" -> this is true... but why does someone in say, downtown Detroit or in a major City need a gun? Sure if they like to shoot in a gun club, cool. There is just too many people who have guns and no legitimate reason to have them. Sure if your from N. Michigan or in an area where actual real hunting is done, then fine (some may say hunting is cruel too).

Hunters, collectors etc. make up for a small % of the population, they keep their guns safe and secure, thats the way it should be.. Joe Sixpack keeps his gun (which he can buy anywhere), under his bed (mayby even loaded)..and he has no real use for it! => protection? - mayby if every joe sixpack didn't have a gun... he wouldn't need protection

Joe gets pi**ed off with his neighbour, the arguement gets too hot, bang.. too late... Child comes home - watches cops&robbers on tv, invites his firends over for a game... bang -> Why is there metal detectors in schools? middle class schools aswell

My main point is... Why should someone who lives in a urban area in a big city, who has never seen the countryside/gun club / range, be able to walk into a K-Mart and buy a Semi? I have no objecions to anyone having a gun who treats it with respect, there are guns here in Ireland too (not the obvious ones either)

way too much here sorry,

gvblake22 · Post by **gvblake22** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:05 pm

capper5016 wrote:I also believe before you start taking away guns, you ban tobacco, because it kills more people, and approve health care for everyone.

GOOD CALL!!!
So true.

LVCapo · Post by **LVCapo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:39 pm

I was talking about how widespread guns and acessabilty of guns as the problem... Some say "it's not the gun which kills people, its the person holding it" -> this is true... but why does someone in say, downtown Detroit or in a major City need a gun? Sure if they like to shoot in a gun club, cool. There is just too many people who have guns and no legitimate reason to have them. Sure if your from N. Michigan or in an area where actual real hunting is done, then fine (some may say hunting is cruel too).

If you even tried this the ACLU would be all over your ass, as it would basically say minorities couldn't have guns. I know thats not your intention, but you either ban them for no one, or for everyone.

Hunters, collectors etc. make up for a small % of the population, they keep their guns safe and secure, thats the way it should be.. Joe Sixpack keeps his gun (which he can buy anywhere), under his bed (mayby even loaded)..and he has no real use for it! => protection? - mayby if every joe sixpack didn't have a gun... he wouldn't need protection

Very simply, this isn't true. I'm not a collector, but I have guns for protection, as well as hunting and sport shooting, that is my choice. I believe you can have a gun for protection. I was riobbed at my own home 6 months ago, I was selling a laptop to a guy, and didn't see his buddy around the corner, and got smacked on the head. They made off with my laptop, and it took the police almost an hour to show up. What if they had gone into the house? could my wife have fought off two guys without having a weapon? Not a chance.

Joe gets pi**ed off with his neighbour, the arguement gets too hot, bang.. too late... Child comes home - watches cops&robbers on tv, invites his firends over for a game... bang -> Why is there metal detectors in schools? middle class schools aswell

Taking guns away isn't going to get rid of the whackos......Just as many people kill others with knives, axes, asticks, etc.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:03 pm

capper5016 wrote:
I was talking about how widespread guns and acessabilty of guns as the problem... Some say "it's not the gun which kills people, its the person holding it" -> this is true... but why does someone in say, downtown Detroit or in a major City need a gun? Sure if they like to shoot in a gun club, cool. There is just too many people who have guns and no legitimate reason to have them. Sure if your from N. Michigan or in an area where actual real hunting is done, then fine (some may say hunting is cruel too).
If you even tried this the ACLU would be all over your ass, as it would basically say minorities couldn't have guns. I know thats not your intention, but you either ban them for no one, or for everyone.

True, but the is no need for it to be so easy to buy guns in these areas.

Hunters, collectors etc. make up for a small % of the population, they keep their guns safe and secure, thats the way it should be.. Joe Sixpack keeps his gun (which he can buy anywhere), under his bed (mayby even loaded)..and he has no real use for it! => protection? - mayby if every joe sixpack didn't have a gun... he wouldn't need protection

capper5016 wrote: Very simply, this isn't true. I'm not a collector, but I have guns for protection, as well as hunting and sport shooting, that is my choice. I believe you can have a gun for protection. I was riobbed at my own home 6 months ago, I was selling a laptop to a guy, and didn't see his buddy around the corner, and got smacked on the head. They made off with my laptop, and it took the police almost an hour to show up. What if they had gone into the house? could my wife have fought off two guys without having a weapon? Not a chance.

(sorry to hear that!) That was unfortunate, IF something had gone seriously wrong and you had no protection, then yes is could have been VERY bad... but that's just the type of crime that we can't do much about.. - compair how many crimes which are done with a gun (which wasn't locked away safely or was stolen etc.)... now think, your still around after that crime... how many people are around after a crime with said guns? Less unecessary guns in the population DOES mean less serious crime!

Joe gets pi**ed off with his neighbour, the arguement gets too hot, bang.. too late... Child comes home - watches cops&robbers on tv, invites his firends over for a game... bang -> Why is there metal detectors in schools? middle class schools aswell

capper5016 wrote: Taking guns away isn't going to get rid of the whackos......Just as many people kill others with knives, axes, asticks, etc.

true, but if a person hasn't got a letal weapon around when he gets mad, then there is less chance of harm! 90% of all murders are just rage, in those cases, the killer will use anything, so yes... but 10% remaining is alot!

I totally understand and respect your beliefs, as I said, I can't understand some of them @ times. I'm an outsider looking in..

WOW.. this thread has evolved!

LVCapo · Post by **LVCapo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:23 pm

well, I'll just say we disagree, strongly disagree.

Bigedmond · Post by **Bigedmond** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:02 pm

capper5016 wrote:well, I'll just say we disagree, strongly disagree.

im with capper on this one. And I too have had a home invader in my home. I was home at the time, and instead of chance a fight, i put my SKS in his face, and he ran away, only to be caught, and not serve 8 years from attepmted home invasion, breaking and entering, and burglary.

bubba · Post by **bubba** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:51 pm

wierd, people will pay attention to one set of numbers but not another, on adverage more people are beat to death in the us than shot.