Conroe system build

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:51 am

FBDimms are out now......they only work with Intels "woodcrest" Xeon CPU platform --> this is the core2 version of the Xeon cpu. They allow you to have LOTS of ram on one board.....and can run in Quad channel instead of dual channel.

They won't be used on desktops for a long time.........if @ all
DDR3 might be used instead.....

Telya · Post by **Telya** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:18 pm

Camride, thanks for the advice. I can hardly wait to see how the new Conroe works for you with your average setup. I don't know why but I have a feeling this Conroe thing is going to be pretty worthwhile.
Do you think that Dell/Gateway will charge huge prices for the new machines with Conroe? I tried to ask Dell support and they did not know what Conroe was. I asked to speak to the actual techs and they were astonded that I had even heard of it. What's up with that? I was really disappointed in Dell's phone support.

Thanks again.

Sovereign · Post by **Sovereign** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:25 pm

Apop Wrote: Fudo over at The Inq. says that Intel is not supporting SLI on its Conroe-supporting motherboards. Up until now, he, and his, sources have blamed it all on Nvidia but it turns out that Fudo might be wrong about that. There is a chance that Intel doesn't want to allow Nvidia to run SLI, as it doesn't want to make a big thing about SLI on its own Conroe machines. Interesting news, but we knew this was the case as SLI doesn't work on any Intel 975 Bad Axe motherboards now.

Intel is in the bed with ATI and signed a cross-licensing agreement quite some time ago, the upshot of which is that it officially supports ATI's Crossfire on Intel 975/965 boards. We hear that Intel doesn’t want to let Nvidia's SLI to run on its boards, at least not officially. There will no-doubt be a leaked driver that will allow such a scenario, but even if the high-end tweakers society might be happy about it, none of the system integrators or OEMs will make such a machine as the driver would never be official and WHQL.

That would scare me away from Conroe....

Pengwin · Post by **Pengwin** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:42 pm

Telya wrote:Camride, thanks for the advice. I can hardly wait to see how the new Conroe works for you with your average setup. I don't know why but I have a feeling this Conroe thing is going to be pretty worthwhile.
Do you think that Dell/Gateway will charge huge prices for the new machines with Conroe? I tried to ask Dell support and they did not know what Conroe was. I asked to speak to the actual techs and they were astonded that I had even heard of it. What's up with that? I was really disappointed in Dell's phone support.

Thanks again.

get used to it.

Conroe is supposedly really good.

If AMD can figure out reverse HT then AMD will be pretty good, since a 3800+ X2 will only be 140 dollars.

=LAS=Spitfire · Post by **=LAS=Spitfire** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:55 pm

Its gonna get THAT cheap. Nice man. When is all of this processor-price-chagning gonna happen? I definately want to hold out till then

if i can..

Pengwin · Post by **Pengwin** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:10 pm

http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?t=5899

=LAS=Spitfire · Post by **=LAS=Spitfire** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:24 pm

gotcha. Ahh I'm all excited now

Pengwin · Post by **Pengwin** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:58 pm

Imakeholesinu · Post by **Imakeholesinu** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:13 am

kenc51 wrote:FBDimms are out now......they only work with Intels "woodcrest" Xeon CPU platform --> this is the core2 version of the Xeon cpu. They allow you to have LOTS of ram on one board.....and can run in Quad channel instead of dual channel.

They won't be used on desktops for a long time.........if @ all
DDR3 might be used instead.....

From what I heard at an intel lunch meeting at my work, there is nothing at all indicating a DDR3 chip, just fully buffered memory for desktops.

Post by **Apoptosis** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:03 am

Imakeholesinu wrote:Just to let you all know, Fully Buffered DIMMS will be the new standard. May want to take that into account when purchasing a system for Vista.

Oh yeah, there is no such thing as DDR3 either.

FB-DIMMS are supposed to be the memory flop of this decade according to industry insiders... and What do you mean there is no such thing as DDR3? I've seen and handled DDR3 modules myself... they are very real...

I've seen 512 Megabit DDR3 SDRAM rated at 8.75 ns (CL7 latency) running at 1.6 GHz at only 1.5V -- So It's real. It's just not going to be for sale till 2007 when the chipsets arrive. Right now FB-DIMM's are for sale.

Here is a picture of A-DATA DDR3 rated at 1,333MHz.

DDR3 News and Info Links:
http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060606PR222.html
http://www.techspot.com/news/21902-sis- ... -2007.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/02/ ... hip_1.html

infinitevalence · Post by **infinitevalence** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:30 pm

My big problem with FB dimms is the heat and electricity used, these things put off as much heat as a CPU some times around 80w! I also cant even see any performance improvement over existing DDR2 tech, other than the simplification of the motherboard trace layout.

kenc51 · Post by **kenc51** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:03 pm

Imakeholesinu wrote:
kenc51 wrote:FBDimms are out now......they only work with Intels "woodcrest" Xeon CPU platform --> this is the core2 version of the Xeon cpu. They allow you to have LOTS of ram on one board.....and can run in Quad channel instead of dual channel.

They won't be used on desktops for a long time.........if @ all
DDR3 might be used instead.....
From what I heard at an intel lunch meeting at my work, there is nothing at all indicating a DDR3 chip, just fully buffered memory for desktops.

FBDimms only use "bog standard" DDR2 chips! They just have an extra chip on the PCB which communicates with the other dimms and the memory controller....

Imakeholesinu · Post by **Imakeholesinu** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:04 pm

Apoptosis wrote:
Imakeholesinu wrote:Just to let you all know, Fully Buffered DIMMS will be the new standard. May want to take that into account when purchasing a system for Vista.

Oh yeah, there is no such thing as DDR3 either.
FB-DIMMS are supposed to be the memory flop of this decade according to industry insiders... and What do you mean there is no such thing as DDR3? I've seen and handled DDR3 modules myself... they are very real...

I've seen 512 Megabit DDR3 SDRAM rated at 8.75 ns (CL7 latency) running at 1.6 GHz at only 1.5V -- So It's real. It's just not going to be for sale till 2007 when the chipsets arrive. Right now FB-DIMM's are for sale.

Here is a picture of A-DATA DDR3 rated at 1,333MHz.

DDR3 News and Info Links:
http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060606PR222.html
http://www.techspot.com/news/21902-sis- ... -2007.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/02/ ... hip_1.html

Just what I heard. Guess a room full of intel guys can be wrong. I guess we're in trouble if they said that AMD is in trouble in the server market then.

Camride · Post by **Camride** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:40 am

Just a little update:

So far I have all the components for the build *except* the cpu/mb. I didn't realize the guy was shipping from Canada so it's going to take a couple days longer than I thought.

Oh well, should be here wednesday next week, after the holiday weekend. That sucks because that was when I was going to do a ton of testing/benching but I think my new wife will be happy at this turn for some reason.

Anyway, I'm putting together what I can now. The Lian-Li V800A is a beautiful case, highly recommended for anyone wanting to do either a Desktop or HTPC set-up. Room is a little tight but not bad for fitting a full size ATX MB. I'm actually trying to figure out which heatsink to use since I have about 5" vertical height to deal with(120mm or so) before hitting the top of the case. The good thing is the case has 2 60mm fans right behind where the cpu is and also one 80mm right above it(would have to be removed with a tall hsf though). So right now I'm trying to figure out if I should use a cooler that will aim towards the back of the case or one that will pull the air up and out the top. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I need to put another in to newegg this morning so I'd like to order it today.

I'm pretty excited now that I've got most of the parts. I got the Viewsonic 19" widescreen monitor and man is it gorgeous! I hooked it up to my laptop(E1505) and it looks stunning. I haven't played any games on it yet but I will try it this weekend and see how it does. It has a 8ms response time so it shouldn't have any ghosting problems.

I will let you guys know as soon as Conroe gets here. Meanwhile feel free to give me some suggestions.

Camride · Post by **Camride** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:57 pm

I got my Intel Core Duo 2 E6600 ES and Intel D975XBX Bad Axe motherboard in yesterday. Because of the holiday and everything I haven't finished getting everything set-up yet. I have the system built and I just got XP MCE loaded but haven't gotten all the drivers installed and XP up to date. Once I do I will get some benchmarks loaded on and will start testing the system. So far, just from installing everything I can tell you this thing is FAST. It does everything almost before you ask it to and you don't have to wait for anything. This system boots faster than any system I have used to date(I will time it later), it's barely on the Windows XP load screen for a second before the desktop pops up and everything is loaded. I'm also using a SATA2 RAID 0 so that helps with the load times.

Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know it's here, I will have more in-depth stuff tomorrow(maybe later tonight but my wife is already annoyed with how much time it took me to set the system up so we'll see).

Let me just say this, from what I've seen so far Conroe is no hype. As most of you have already seen hard numbers on other sites(SuperPI times that are just astounding) you know this cpu is going to be great but that doesn't tell you how it feels in person. I will tell you how this thing runs in day to day tasks so you can get a feel for it and decide if you want to spend the money on it. I can say personally, if you spend any amount of time at a computer you should upgrade as this cpu will save you a whole bunch of time.

Post by **DMB2000uk** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:41 pm

I can hardly wait as it is, knowing someone else on these forums gets to play with conroe already is killing me!

Windows does tend to have a habit of loading quickish on a clean install, just watch it grind slow when you install everything you want on it (we'll thats what normally happens, here's hoping it wont

).

Dan

Post by **Apoptosis** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:50 pm

Imakeholesinu wrote:Just what I heard. Guess a room full of intel guys can be wrong. I guess we're in trouble if they said that AMD is in trouble in the server market then.

What do you expect Intel to say to you? FB-DIMM is the only memory choice for upcoming Intel servers and they want you to believe that is the best option out there... They didn't lie to you.. you just got owned by one of the best marketing machines in the world. ;)

Camride · Post by **Camride** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:58 pm

System is built. I will have pictures up hopefully tonight of the build and everything. So far I haven't run a whole lot of benchmarks but I have been running SuperPi with the OCing I've been doing. Here is the best so far:

E6600 2.4Ghz(1066Mhz fsb) -> 3.8Ghz(1693Ghz fsb)
DDR2- 400/800Mhz(4-4-4-12) -> 530/1060Mhz(5-4-4-14)
SuperPi 1Mil: 22 seconds -> 14 seconds

About inline with what everone else is getting, maybe a hair faster(the other results at 3.8Ghz were running 15-16 seconds to 1mil).

At stock speeds this thing is fast, really fast. It equates to about the fastest AMD system I've used (FX-60) and is just impressive. At 3.8Ghz its just rediculous. I mean this thing is just crazy fast.

I will get more benchmarks soon(and pics!) so just hold on tight! And remember, this is all with air cooling(and a crappy cooler right now, still waiting on my Big Typhoon).

Post by **DMB2000uk** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:33 pm

Dude you've left us hanging for 4 days now! Or are you not wanting to steal the thunder of LR's official review on friday?

Dan

JasonDTM · Post by **JasonDTM** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:07 pm

My friend... LATENCY IS HURTING CONROE.... I know of some up and coming Teamgroup Xtreem DDR2 that will come close to knocking Micron "Fat Body" sticks off their legendary perch.

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