Buying new ram?

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:57 pm

hi guys

well as the title says, i want to buy new ram(or do i really want to), i have about 340CAD max, for 2GB of ram, (btw i expect it to overclock well with my p5w dh/e6300)

im also not sure i should even be buying new ram... my friend would likely pay me 150CAD for my OCZ26671024ELGEGXT-K/OCZ2P8001GK) and right now i have them at 4-4-4-9, would it be a good idea to sell them and buy new ram?
Mushkin, OCZ, Corsair, Kingston?? o.O ahh
TY for your help

odie2190 · Post by **odie2190** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:05 pm

ocz has been very good to me, i pushed it ridiculously far, and i will never buy any other brand ever.

is it ddr 2 800?

brites · Post by **brites** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:52 am

See this from Super Talent

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... =493&num=1

there are more actual reviews but this one isn't bad

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:05 am

well, the question is, will i be seeing any real worl improvements over my pc-5400 (4-4-4-9) if i dole out the cash for this new ram? and if so how significant

Indignity · Post by **Indignity** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:21 am

It's my understanding that yes, you will get a bit of an increase, but the reason for upgrading is so you can push all of your hardware a little further and not have your RAM be the deciding factor.

You might not be able to run as tight timings as you have currently, but you'll have more headroom to get a higher overclock.

From what i've been reading regarding memory lately is the Buffalo Firesticks and as was stated, the Super Talent brands are the "In Things". That is, if you can find anywhere that has them in stock. I love my Patriot sticks, but I really have to loosen the timings to get them stable at higher speeds & they do get really hot.

You have a pretty good budget to get a top of the line kit. I'm thinking OCZ or Corsair would be your best bet. I've also noticed that RAM pricing is in a downward trend for the moment.. maybe stick it out for a bit & see what becomes. Perhaps check pricewatch daily & see what the market is doing... gotta love the Green arrows :D
http://www.pricewatch.com/memory/
(if you do decide to buy from any of the dealers listed on pricewatch, read the feedback first!!!!!)

Nandro · Post by **Nandro** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:01 am

I have noticed on the intel setups that timings don't really yield a big increase in performance. You may be better off getting higher rated ram with looser timings than lower with tighter.

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:32 pm

well ive gotten my e6300 with my p5w dh to 2.8ghz with loose timings (5-5-5-15) but right now i have it at 2.66ghz with 4-4-4-9. say i do get this new ram, how far can a e6300 go on a p5w dh anyways??

Nandro · Post by **Nandro** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:42 pm

Not sure as I haven't had that MB. You may want to ask in a MB part of the forum. I would take the faster speed and looser timings any day.

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:51 pm

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do ... id=RAM.475
how is that ram? i was looking at it and it seemed to be a nice selection, what do you guys think :D

Indignity · Post by **Indignity** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:13 pm

maj0r_pawnage wrote:well ive gotten my e6300 with my p5w dh to 2.8ghz with loose timings (5-5-5-15) but right now i have it at 2.66ghz with 4-4-4-9. say i do get this new ram, how far can a e6300 go on a p5w dh anyways??

I've not had any experience, nor have I read a bunch about the p5w, but I did get my e6300 on a P5B-E to 3.25GHz on a sucky water setup. Mind you, my PSU was also suffering a slow death at the time so I didn't want to force anything.

How far you go is going to be determined by a number of factors including your Power Supply, Cooling & if you got a really good lot # on your CPU.

Back to the RAM you selected, you do see it's out of stock didn't you? I've not read any reviews of the Mushkin RAM, but I'd imagine they are probably top shelf chips. I don't know anything about the ability of this brand, so that would be the reason I wouldn't suggest them. I know the RAM from Corsair & OCZ has a lifetime warranty, so the company reputation is there.

Nandro · Post by **Nandro** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:42 pm

maj0r_pawnage: Very nice ram. It probably won't be ram that's going to hold you back with that.

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:39 pm

well right now i have http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do ... cid=FN.349 as my cpu fan, and i read on the mobo forum that p5w dh should go to atleast 3ghz, will that cooler be able to keep it functioning? lol dont want to get better ram only to be stopped by cpu temps, hmm

also if you guys havent noticed the ram sticks are differernt one is gold xtc @ 667mhz(4-4-4-12) and one is plat xtc @ 800mhz (5-5-5-15) would this be the reason i cant seem to OC my e6300 more than 2.8ghz?(no matter what i do with the cpu, mch, fsbterm,mem, ect volts)

Indignity · Post by **Indignity** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:54 pm

maj0r_pawnage wrote:well right now i have http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do ... cid=FN.349 as my cpu fan, and i read on the mobo forum that p5w dh should go to atleast 3ghz, will that cooler be able to keep it functioning? lol dont want to get better ram only to be stopped by cpu temps, hmm

Yeah, you'll probably need something a little more beefy than that. Question... Are you monitoring your temperatures at all?

maj0r_pawnage wrote:also if you guys havent noticed the ram sticks are differernt one is gold xtc @ 667mhz(4-4-4-12) and one is plat xtc @ 800mhz (5-5-5-15) would this be the reason i cant seem to OC my e6300 more than 2.8ghz?(no matter what i do with the cpu, mch, fsbterm,mem, ect volts)

umm... no, I don't think we would have noticed unless you posted a picture

You seem determined to keep the tightest timings you can get. Don't let that be a finalizing factor in your purchase.

Can you put together your total system specs & place them in your signature within your "Profile"? It's the Orange button up top furthest to the right. Right now, anyone could guess the reason you aren't having much success. Knowing what you have, people can give you more educated feedback.

Oh yeah, & a 65% overclock isn't too bad!!!

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:58 pm

i occasionally look at the temps in bios, but i get different temps with different programs so i dont know which to trust, bio gives me 40C on mobo and 35C on cpu @ idle

Indignity · Post by **Indignity** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:03 pm

What about ASUS Probe that came with your mobo? .. that should be within a couple degrees celcius.

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:05 pm

the wierd thing about that is it showed my cpu and mobo at 120C.. lol and the alarm kept on going off so i uninstalled it. (btw my case probes show 42C idle cpu. 33C case air temp)

mch@ 1.75
fsbterm=1.25
other one i forget the name is @ stock
mem @ 1:2

Nandro · Post by **Nandro** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:06 pm

The ram you mentioned earlier will be good because when clocking up the FSB, you should be able to keep the 1:1 divider allot easier than on regular DDR2 800 because the ram has more natural headroom. That CPU cooling is going to have to go. It will be average, but if your getting top end ram and a good cpu, you might want a nice thermaltake Ultra 120 or a big typhoon. I like the typhoon as it cools my memory and chipset. I have an ultra 120 here I am not using at the moment. It's big and heavy, but it does a great job. Only thing I dont like is once it's in and especially if you have 2 fans on it in a push/pull, there is really no room to fit your hands in there to do anything. Like just now I did a pencil vdroop mod which would have been impossible with the Ultra 120. Research it a bit. Look in the cooling section or at the reviews. Regardless you will usually see the same top 5 in any general consensus. If you look you'll see what I mean.

Indignity · Post by **Indignity** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:11 pm

Try TAT: http://www.hardware.fr/marc/TAT.exe

maj0r_pawnage · Post by **maj0r_pawnage** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:12 pm

BTW, ram=760mhz and vcore=1.4000 mem=2.3V

lolz i guess i should turn down the vore cpu=80C after only a few moments @ full load.....

55C idle

this is all good but, after say i almost 500dollars on this ram/cpu cooling will i see any noticable real world difference, i really wouldnt want to spend that much money if its going to only load a game 2seconds faster and i wont notice the difference when im playing(if i will get considerable improvements i will be glad to spend the money)

Nandro · Post by **Nandro** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:20 pm

Thats your cpu cooler. I use the same voltage and my Idle is 39 and load is up to 55C depending on room temp. You really need a better cooler to get the best out of that cpu. 80C that cpu is probably throttling unless you have it turned off. I edited it to post this link. This new cpu cooler looks sweet, and I bet it cools great as it looks like the Typhoon I have with twice the amount of cooling area. Same price if not a bit cheaper than allot of the coolers at the top end of the range.
http://www.sundialmicro.com/cooler_mast ... _1011.html

and here is a good review on it
http://www.hardwarelogic.com/news/62/AR ... 03-08.html

where it equals or betters the Big typhoon yet cols the MB 7C better than any of the others. Just a tip if your looking to get good air cooling. If you do get it be sure to write up a review for those of us who may look to get one down the line ;)