simple networking question

[dgood]

I've done this with a crossover cable before. That is sharing a wireless connection to my router from a computer to another via the cross over. can i do this via a switch too? how do I make them both see eachother with out manually setting ips on both, and still get internet between them. especially since one will have two connections.

[kenc51]

Just set the two PCs to use the same IP address range as what the router uses.
Your router prolly uses 192.168.X with the router address as 192.168.1.1. All you need to do is set the two PCs to use anything between 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.254
The switch makes no difference, they are dumb devices, think of them as port multipliers.

[dgood]

so here's the problem. I have network connectoin sharing enabled, well sorta. It won't enable. As it has an ip address conflict with something the same as it is trying to set my router to. it is trying to set it to 192.168.0.1, which is the ip of the router. but it claims the ip exists already on the network so internet connection sharing will not enable. I want to share it over the hub so I can put all my extra computers down there folding using the one computers wireless connection. Any help would be great, any other ideas ken?

[KnightRid]

So you want to use a crossover cable connected to a hub, which has other computers connected to it?

WOW - easiest thing - buy a router ;)

Next would be to set windows to hand out IP addresses to all computers and use windows as an ip server thingy. Would have to have 2 network cards in one computer to do that I believe.

I am NOT a networking genius, Ken can help you 10000X better than I can

Mike

oh a hub is a dummy device - it will never give out different ip addresses for each system on it, hence the router suiggestion.

[kenc51]

so here's the problem. I have network connectoin sharing enabled, well sorta. It won't enable. As it has an ip address conflict with something the same as it is trying to set my router to. it is trying to set it to 192.168.0.1, which is the ip of the router. but it claims the ip exists already on the network so internet connection sharing will not enable. I want to share it over the hub so I can put all my extra computers down there folding using the one computers wireless connection. Any help would be great, any other ideas ken?

Just set the PC's to use the 192.168.0.x range and the default gateway as the router address 192.168.0.1
You might need to goto My Network Places, click on network wizard on the left. On the PC that connected to the router, chose the option "this computer connects directly to internet" On the other PC chose " this pc connects to another PC to connect to the internet"

[dgood]

man something is fishy here. Nothing is working for me. I have what appears to be a cross over cable also and it will not work. the problem is that internet connection sharing won't enable because of the ip address conflict. How do I fix this conflict. I've already tried all of the different types of configureations on network set up wizard. I've tried plugging them in cross-over. and also via regular cat5 cables into a hub. it doesn't matter the problem persists. I did this same thing at a friends no problem and it worked. which leads me to believe my router is the problem.
To clarify:
what I am trying to do is share my internet, off of one computer, from it's wireless connection to my router over a hub/switch (not a router) in my basement to another computer, or just over direct cross-over connection. Anyone else do this before?

Could WINS server help me in any way? and how do I use them?

[kenc51]

try resetting TCP/IP -> Start/run Type netsh int ip reset resetlog.txt then press enter

If this doesnt help, try changing the IP address(s), chose 192.168.0.50, the last digit doesnt matter, dont use 192.168.1.1 (router address, this is your gateway or 192.168.1.255 as this is your broadcast addy)
Also try disabling your firewall software!

[dgood]

isn't my router address 192.168.0.1? since that is what I type in to access it in windows?

[kenc51]

isn't my router address 192.168.0.1? since that is what I type in to access it in windows?

Sorry, my mistake (mine is .1.1), so yeah change the PC(s) to 192.168.0.50 & 51

[dgood]

alright i'll try this, however I do not use firewalls of any type besides the router itself.

[KnightRid]

I have a wired router, switch(hub), and a wireless access pint running on my network.

DSL -> router of course, then router -> switch uplink port and wireles access pont and other computers, then the switch also hooks up computers.

Maybe I am a moron, but why do you need a crossover cable?

How could you go from your computers wireless connection to your router? How do you get the internet on that computer? Wireless broadband? If so, it should still go to a wireless router first.

To me it seems like you have the router being a dummy box served by the computer. Hook the internet to the router, then the hub/switch, then the computers from those 2.

Mike

But like I said - Ken knows WAY more than me

[dgood]

cross over cable works in place of a hub, I said I used it and the hub separately and couldn't get either scenario to work. all it is is a slightly different order of wires in teh cat 5 so you can go from computer to computer. I only tried it since I couldn't get the normal cables and the hub to work. Does that make sense Knightrid?

[kenc51]

Can you ping the PC?
Please do ipconfig /all on both PCs and post the results from each.

[KnightRid]

Along with Ken' request..

Tell me how you have everything wired - without the crossover cable.

do you have a router or a hub?

should be

internet -> router -> computers

with a hub you would need

internet -> computer with 2 nics -> hub -> other computers

then if you enable internet connection sharing on the pc with 2 nics, everything should be set up by windows.

no matter what - if you have a router, the internet goes to that first, then to the others.

I think if you do router -> hub - then you want to run the cable to the uplink port on the hub ( I have mine that way and works great ).

Mike

again Ken can tell you I am full of it if I am It just seems like you missed a step somewhere, either with a router, or with a hub and the computer not having 2 nics.

[dgood]

I'm trying this Internet-->Router-->Computer with 2 Nics (wireless and lan)-->Hub-->Computer

Does that make more sense?
I am trying to share that wireless connection over the lan on the hub.

[KnightRid]

I'm trying this Internet-->Router-->Computer with 2 Nics (wireless and lan)-->Hub-->Computer

Does that make more sense?
I am trying to share that wireless connection over the lan on the hub.

Now i get it.

I understand now why Ken was telling you to manually set the IP range also! Your router is sending out ip addresses, and your computer will be also. You have to tell one of them to use a different IP range than the other one.

I told you Ken knew 10,000 X more than me

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/usin ... adhoc.mspx

That might help a bit

Mike

Why not eliminate the router? internet -> computer with 2 nics and 1 wireless -> hub -> other computers.

That way only 1 computer will be serving ip addresses. I dont know if you can send to a wired and wireless in the same system though

I suggest a wireless router purchase
or an access point

[dgood]

i'll just purchase another wireless card. Can't eliminate router atm, cuz 3 other computers connect to the router, mine via lan, my brother's, sister's and parent's via wireless, and this is besides the ones in the basement I was talking about hooking up that way.

[KnightRid]

i'll just purchase another wireless card. Can't eliminate router atm, cuz 3 other computers connect to the router, mine via lan, my brother's, sister's and parent's via wireless, and this is besides the ones in the basement I was talking about hooking up that way.

and you confuse me again :p

yours via lan, but the others via wirelss - so if they are hooked up through wireless, whats the problem? Any computer should be able to connect with a wireless card in it if you have a couple of them working.

I think my head is going to explode

Did you try changing the IP addresses on our router like Ken had said about? I still think you have a problem with trying to serve a connection for a computer that has a wired coming in, and you want to use the wireless card as another router to give out ip addresses to to other computers.


Mike

Ken - just tell me I am an idiot and to shut up - PLEASE. I am just geting more confused as the setup keeps geting more equipment on it..lol

How about a COMPLETE list of how many computers you want hooked up through wired, how many wireless, what routers you have (wired or wireless), what hubs you have, etc. cause you just threw a rock in there by saying your families were hooked up through wireless, but you cant get wireless to work

[Sporg]

Maybe it would help if we had a simple diagram.

[kenc51]

Dgood,
Post the results of "ipconfig /all" from both PC's
goto start / run type "CMD" & press enter. Then r-click the top left corner and goto properties.
In the "Edit Options" section, tick "Quick Edit" and click ok

Then in the DOS prompt, type "ipconfig all" When it's done, highlight all the text and press enter.
You should be then able to paste it into a new post. Do this on all the PC's.

Once we have your current IP details, we should be able to sort this out!