Dream Machine: Kentsfield + 8800GTX SLI + 680i SLI

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Dream Machine: Kentsfield + 8800GTX SLI + 680i SLI

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Too much hardware has been recently launched for Legit Reviews to benchmark in such a short period of time, so we took all the products and built one killer test machine with a price tag pushing north of $4,000. The hardware is the best money can by and this is one of the only articles on the web showing a pair of XFX GeForce 8800 GTX graphics cards running in SLI.

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The benchmark results although short and sweet paint a perfect picture of the future of the industry. NVIDIA has taken the performance crown back from ATI and with the R600 still a ways out it is going to cause a number of companies to think for a bit. Intel really needs to work out a deal with NVIDIA to get SLI support back on their i975X Express chipsets, but I'm sure NVIDIA wouldn't want that as they want to sell their own chipsets. If you have a single NVIDIA graphics card using an NVIDIA SLI chipset will offer you an upgrade path to SLI, which is something no Intel chipset can offer. Right now Intel chipsets support CrossFire technology, which is now funny because that is now owned by AMD.
Article Title: Dream Machine: Kentsfield + 8800GTX SLI + 680i
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BFG has a single slot 8800GTX on water for that quadfather system :-)
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oh yes... that's right! Article has been updated to include this information.
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sooooo........if at any time you are feeling generous and want to.....NVM we wont go there,,ubar awesome!! Again thanks for a real review!!
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I gotta ask why are there 3 GTX's in the main page preview picture but only 2 in the actual article? Did you do that just to make us salavate? :-)
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the third one is a GTS and yes it was made to make you do this: :drool:
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This is the kind of system people dream about.
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I guess the Silverstone 850W power supply didn't like my dream machine as I have recently upgraded the power supply and with the PC Power and Cooling Galaxy 1000W PSU the system overclocked and runs fine. Here is a run with NO overclock on the video cards and running 266MHz x 14 with the memory running at 800MHz 4-4-4-12. This system easily has more than this:

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After this run I restarted and set the BIOS to 333MHz FSB x 11 and the failed to post and I have corrupted the Windows install, so I have to re-install Windows.... I'll do that another day as I have to get some other reviews out the door that have been waiting a number of weeks.
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apop do u hate anyone ? pm me plz if u need someone to disappear. id like to have the system. :snakeman:
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The system is awesome.. After I re-install windows and get it running again I'll hit 20k on it easy... just wish it was more stable with kentsfield... I'm starting to think I got a bum board or something... The above benchmark was run on 96.97 drivers... I heard 97.02 have higher 3dmark06 scores too.
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Hi, I'm thinking of getting a SLI Computer like this. I have been looking at it for awhile and I know that theres a hefty price tag. :?

But before I go jumping into anything I noticed you had a bit of problems in the begging, Was it just the processor and power supply?

Other then that this is probably what I'm looking at.
Can you just fill me in on what would be best and works for the blanks?

Processor: ?
eVGA nForce 680i SLI Motherboard - $269.99
XFX GeForce 8800GTX Graphics Card - $659.99
XFX GeForce 8800GTX Graphics Card - $659.99
Corsair DOMINATOR PC2-9136 Memory - ~$610.00
Cooling: ?
Power supply: ?
Hard drive: Doesn't really matter which one right? :)
Tower/Case: I can find it

THANKS :P
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Mekaonija,

Welcome to the forums...

For starters check out what I have been able to do with the Corsair 9136C5 kit on the 680i SLI board with the P23 BIOS here. I got a really good kit of that stuff! The kit is also $459 and not $610 -- That's the PC2-8888C4 kit.

As for the power supply I now use a PC Power & Cooling 1000W PSU on the test system and it does better than the 850W Silverstone Zues.... For what it is worth the Thermaltake Toughpower 850W will also power the dream machine just fine and is far less money. When I tested them I had 4 hard drives, an Ageia PhysX card, 4GB of memory, and everything else shown in the review... so it can handle it without dropping below 12.0V on the +12V rail... The Silverston Zeus dropped down below 12.0V.

Depending on your budget the CPU choice is up to you... With a system like this overclocking is a must.

As for cooling you really need water cooling. I've used the Corsair Nautilus 500 on all my systems (I have 3 kits) and Jason (mobo reviewer) also uses one on all the test benches. The only complaint I have is the clips that hold the block to the board wear out after 20-40 removals... I did modify one of my Nautilus 500's and got better performance by doing this, so you can make the kit better. If you wanted to build a kit on your own be sure to use a block like the Swiftech Apogee GT, we just got one in and iit cools at least 3C better than anything else we have when it comes to water blocks.

Hope this helps a bit
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Yeah it does, thanks alot

Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 $1000.00
eVGA nForce 680i SLI Motherboard $269.99
XFX GeForce 8800GTX Graphics Card $659.99
XFX GeForce 8800GTX Graphics Card $659.99
Corsair 9136C5 kit $459.00
Corsair Nautilus 500 $159.99
Thermaltake Toughpower 850W $239.00
Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $80.00
Tower $150.00
Monitor $300.00
Logitech® G7 Laser Cordless Mouse $139.95
Logitech® G15 Gaming Keyboard $129.95
Logitech® Premium Notebook Headset $79.95
QuickCam® Pro 5000 $129.95

Total: $4,455.00!!!
Basic stuff: $3,500
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That Silverstone Zeus 850watt psu is more than capable of running a Qx6700 and 8800gtx sli sytem thats also overclocked. first of all the psu is rated at 50c and has a peak output of 1050watt. Second the worlds greatest becner actually uses this very psu for his record breaking benchmarks. Yes thats right I am talking about Kingpin with his 4.5ghz QX6700, twin 900mhz core 8800gtx sli and 24k 3d mark 06. He said his 12v stayed at 12.03v throughout all his tests. He is not the only one. Johnny Guru and xtreme systems.org all place the Zeus at the very top end of all psu's. They have it in a a very high place way beyond most other psu's.

So I think the problem is something else and not the psu. I actually laughed when I heard that Nvidia themselves told you that the psu is the problem when that psu and the 750watt version ( a strong testament to the the psu efficiency) are both 8800gtx sli fully certified.

So I have to ask how did you load the psu up? I believe you loaded it up wrong. To load up that psu correctley you want the single 12v rail with the two pcieX cable ie 12v4 and pciX1+2 split to each 8800gtx. This way the shared 18amps gets shared to each gpu. You now have 9 amps going to each gpu. To finish just plu in the remaining cables. You will now end up with 36amps to each gpu. If you do it the other way where you have both 12v4 on one gpu , then one gpu will have 18amps only where as the other will have 36amps. Thats not good for overclocking.

I suggest trying the psu again like I described. That psu is alot better than anything else on the market, and should have no problems with a Kentsfield and 8800gtx sli.
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TonyM16 wrote:That Silverstone Zeus 850watt psu is more than capable of running a Qx6700 and 8800gtx sli sytem thats also overclocked. first of all the psu is rated at 50c and has a peak output of 1050watt. Second the worlds greatest becner actually uses this very psu for his record breaking benchmarks. Yes thats right I am talking about Kingpin with his 4.5ghz QX6700, twin 900mhz core 8800gtx sli and 24k 3d mark 06. He said his 12v stayed at 12.03v throughout all his tests. He is not the only one. Johnny Guru and xtreme systems.org all place the Zeus at the very top end of all psu's. They have it in a a very high place way beyond most other psu's.

So I think the problem is something else and not the psu. I actually laughed when I heard that Nvidia themselves told you that the psu is the problem when that psu and the 750watt version ( a strong testament to the the psu efficiency) are both 8800gtx sli fully certified.

So I have to ask how did you load the psu up? I believe you loaded it up wrong. To load up that psu correctley you want the single 12v rail with the two pcieX cable ie 12v4 and pciX1+2 split to each 8800gtx. This way the shared 18amps gets shared to each gpu. You now have 9 amps going to each gpu. To finish just plu in the remaining cables. You will now end up with 36amps to each gpu. If you do it the other way where you have both 12v4 on one gpu , then one gpu will have 18amps only where as the other will have 36amps. Thats not good for overclocking.

I suggest trying the psu again like I described. That psu is alot better than anything else on the market, and should have no problems with a Kentsfield and 8800gtx sli.
Thanks a lot for the feedback and maybe I just happened to get two bad power supplies from Silverstone then. I've personally met and talked with John over at Jonny Guru and Fugger at Xtreme Systems and we all know a ton on power supplies and are generally on the same page when it comes to quality and performance. I did have the PSU wired as you described and it still dipped below 12V... For what it's worth this article was written before the P23 BIOS was even started and much of the instability issues seen go back to BIOS issues... It's a great PSU, but when you take a 4GHz Kentsfield processor, a water cooler, 2 8800GTX GPU's, a PhysX card, 4GB of memory, 4 500GB hard drives, a couple optical drives and load everything... meaning all four CPU cores at full load, the video cards running full blast, burning a DVD and listening to an audio CD while defragging the hard drives it dips and others don't... How do I know? Because I've done it a number of times!
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TonyM16 wrote:That Silverstone Zeus 850watt psu is more than capable of running a Qx6700 and 8800gtx sli sytem thats also overclocked. first of all the psu is rated at 50c and has a peak output of 1050watt. Second the worlds greatest becner actually uses this very psu for his record breaking benchmarks. Yes thats right I am talking about Kingpin with his 4.5ghz QX6700, twin 900mhz core 8800gtx sli and 24k 3d mark 06. He said his 12v stayed at 12.03v throughout all his tests. He is not the only one. Johnny Guru and xtreme systems.org all place the Zeus at the very top end of all psu's. They have it in a a very high place way beyond most other psu's.

So I think the problem is something else and not the psu. I actually laughed when I heard that Nvidia themselves told you that the psu is the problem when that psu and the 750watt version ( a strong testament to the the psu efficiency) are both 8800gtx sli fully certified.

So I have to ask how did you load the psu up? I believe you loaded it up wrong. To load up that psu correctley you want the single 12v rail with the two pcieX cable ie 12v4 and pciX1+2 split to each 8800gtx. This way the shared 18amps gets shared to each gpu. You now have 9 amps going to each gpu. To finish just plu in the remaining cables. You will now end up with 36amps to each gpu. If you do it the other way where you have both 12v4 on one gpu , then one gpu will have 18amps only where as the other will have 36amps. Thats not good for overclocking.

I suggest trying the psu again like I described. That psu is alot better than anything else on the market, and should have no problems with a Kentsfield and 8800gtx sli.
Thanks a lot for the feedback and maybe I just happened to get two bad power supplies from Silverstone then. I've personally met and talked with John over at Jonny Guru and Fugger at Xtreme Systems and we all know a ton on power supplies and are generally on the same page when it comes to quality and performance. I did have the PSU wired as you described and it still dipped below 12V... For what it's worth this article was written before the P23 BIOS was even started and much of the instability issues seen go back to BIOS issues... It's a great PSU, but when you take a 4GHz Kentsfield processor, a water cooler, 2 8800GTX GPU's, a PhysX card, 4GB of memory, 4 500GB hard drives, a couple optical drives and load everything... meaning all four CPU cores at full load, the video cards running full blast, burning a DVD and listening to an audio CD while defragging the hard drives it dips and others don't... How do I know? Because I've done it a number of times!

Wow. Is that what you were doing with that psu. Hmm. I suppose in that situation it could be overstretched as it has to share its 18 amp 12v rails with the gpus and cpu along with the other stuff when you load it like how you done which is unlike the 1000watt psu's (unless it's a single rail one) which seem to keep gpu and cpu completely separate .

Also as people who used it for their 22k+ 3d mark 06 scores probably don't have more than one HD and cd drive and they certainly won't be multitasking as they want the highest score possible, from what I have seen most of those guys don't even game very often . Perhaps if they did try and game with their mammoth OC the psu would fail.

It's a difficult one. there are not that many psu's out there for people like us that we can safely say is THE ONE to get. The new PCP+C 1kw (is that the sr version?) you have is great and is probably the best psu in the world , but is just too costly and loud for the average 8800gtx sli user who just wants to game.

Ofcourse like you said it could have been a bios thing.

PS. Forgive me if I came across like I thought you didn't know what you were doing. Thats isn't the case. In fact I really enjoyed the article, and read it cover to cover before venturing off on my own adventure with the 8800gtx sli. I nearly bought the Silverstone Zeus 850watt , which is why I was so concerned about that aspect of the article. You may laugh but I bought a Tagan 1100watt instead. I know it isn't the best but it seems to do the job , and it seems very stable at it's 12v rail, I never saw it dip in to 11 at all. I was tempted to get the Zeus anyway later on as I didn't like how the Olympia 1000 turned out (very high ripple), but it looks like it won't be worth it if it can't hold the 12v rail with all that stuff (not that i would need it to, but the whole point was to have a future proof and reliable psu, and loading up like that should give us an idea as to how it will perform with next next gen gpus).
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Hey guys, really enjoyed the article as well. Finding it hard to really nut out all the possible issues with a intel quad + 8800gtx sli system.
I am building a system for a mate and since it's gona be like a $7,000AUS system, I really wana make sure I don't run into any major issues.
Specs I've come up with so far:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
2x XFX 8800GTX XXX Limited Edition 768MB GDDR3 630Mhz/2.0Ghz
EVGA Nvidia nForce 680i SLI
2x OCZ DDR2 PC2 6400 800MHz Titanium EPP-Ready 2GB Kit 4-4-4-15 1T
Western Digital 74G SATA Raptor x2 (raid0)
SilverStone ST85F 850w Strider Modular EPS
Thermalright XP-90C

I don't expect to do a lot of overclocking, since I believe the q6600 won't do more than 3ghz anyhow. Would you change/prefer different RAM, PSU?
I just wanted to know whether all the eVGA bios issues have been ironed out, as well as the state of the 97.92 forceware drivers.

Can I expect to run into any major problems with this setup?
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Nate, run some benches and post them on our teams hwbot stats :finga:
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cruiser8199 wrote:Hey guys, really enjoyed the article as well. Finding it hard to really nut out all the possible issues with a intel quad + 8800gtx sli system.
I am building a system for a mate and since it's gona be like a $7,000AUS system, I really wana make sure I don't run into any major issues.
Specs I've come up with so far:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
2x XFX 8800GTX XXX Limited Edition 768MB GDDR3 630Mhz/2.0Ghz
EVGA Nvidia nForce 680i SLI
2x OCZ DDR2 PC2 6400 800MHz Titanium EPP-Ready 2GB Kit 4-4-4-15 1T
Western Digital 74G SATA Raptor x2 (raid0)
SilverStone ST85F 850w Strider Modular EPS
Thermalright XP-90C

I don't expect to do a lot of overclocking, since I believe the q6600 won't do more than 3ghz anyhow. Would you change/prefer different RAM, PSU?
I just wanted to know whether all the eVGA bios issues have been ironed out, as well as the state of the 97.92 forceware drivers.

Can I expect to run into any major problems with this setup?
If you ever do plan on OC'ing, you'll need something more than the XP-90. Take a look at Nate's latest review of the Coolit cooler and you'll get some ideas 8)
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Nice review. I'll hold my comments about Silverstone, as this really isn't the place.
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