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Had a friend who put up his halloween costume keg party on facebook invites, cops got ahold of it and made him shut it down, so it's cancelled.

Don't they have better things to do than bust kids for underage drinking, and higher than acceptable decibel levels on a friday night?

Maybe it's just my personal experiences with cops are always negative. Luckily I have the NWA cd handy, for all of my "bleep tha police" moments.


Edit: What I had in quotes was the actual title of the song lol. But it seems we are a moderately conservative bunch here.

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Well underage drinking is Illegal. And kids tend to drive when they drink, sooo this is the fault of the poilce how??
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I think that underage drinking is a big problem, and kudos to the police for breaking it up before it gets out of hand. Generally kids that are having parties with alcohol do not have any supervision at the time (parents on vacation or just don't care), and they are rarely responsible enough to have a plan for the night (how do I get home safely, etc.). I apologize, but I see your point as moot...
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I'm 20, not a kid- I'm an adult and don't need parental supervision in any aspect of my life.

I understand most people in my generation are rather irresponsible, but saying I can't drink because of the risk that I'd drive or do something equally stupid is what I'm getting at- it's one of those things that doesn't affect you so you don't care about it, might as well agree with the laws cause you don't lose anything by them.

Anyway, here was my problem stated on basing laws off statistical probability- the party is one block off-campus, I and most of us were walking- there isn't anywhere to park anyway.

The 21 year olds couldn't throw the party because of the underage drinking that would take place. It's not like the people who live there are underage, they're all legal and legally allowed to throw a party and drink.

They didn't break it up before it got out of hand, they prevented it from happening cause they assumed it would get out of hand. There's a big difference, not all parties spill out into bloodshed on the streets. In fact, most don't.

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Regardless of the situation, even if I was the only responsible person going to that party- I had a stressful week and was looking for away to cool down from my my biochem exam yesterday and the cops decided for me that I should sit down and watch Conan by myself and eat potato chips instead right?

And I've been drinking with my dad since I was 18, and it is legal to consume alcohol under parental supervision. My dad told me not to get too drunk when I talked to him on the phone earlier today- point in hand, I'm an exception to the norm and I get punished for the idiot things that other people do.

It's kind of like how I'm an Iranian-American and get hassled in airports all the time.
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Amy wrote: I apologize, but I see your point as moot...
Dito...


I used to go out to friends houses or go down to the local park to drink....I used to think it was great (would get some older guys to buy the beer).. the problem was we used to make a mess with empty can etc. make lots of noise, so neighbours would call the police, this used to be a regular thing...Yeah it was fun "some of the time!"
Alcohol is a drug.. It is addictive, it does cause damage to your body.. when you are young you are still growing so adding poison to your body is a no no....I have/had a few friends who are now alcoholics and their lives are ruined by drink!
I don't want to come accross as I'm preaching... but it still isn't worth it. I'm only 27 (actually 2day is my birthday:)).... Believe me I have done it all...and then some!
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This was actually the first party I had decided to go to all semester, so it's pretty reasonable that I'm pissed about it.

I'm sure I drink far less than you did at my age Ken, and I've never been irresponsible about it. All drugs are bad for you but hey, some of us enjoy them- it's not really anyone's right to say what I can or can't do to my body.

I can eat McD's everyday and do more harm than getting drunk every weekend, that's my choice to make- I do understand the consequences of those decisions.

Plus, I'm not one of those people who gets addicted easily- I've smoked cigs, but I never have the urge to buy a pack or anything. I might if I decided to smoke everyday but I'm very self-controlled.
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Nobahar wrote:I'm 20, not a kid- I'm an adult and don't need parental supervision in any aspect of my life.

I understand most people in my generation are rather irresponsible, but saying I can't drink because of the risk that I'd drive or do something equally stupid is what I'm getting at- it's one of those things that doesn't affect you so you don't care about it, might as well agree with the laws cause you don't lose anything by them.

Anyway, here was my problem stated on basing laws off statistical probability- the party is one block off-campus, I and most of us were walking- there isn't anywhere to park anyway.

The 21 year olds couldn't throw the party because of the underage drinking that would take place. It's not like the people who live there are underage, they're all legal and legally allowed to throw a party and drink.

They didn't break it up before it got out of hand, they prevented it from happening cause they assumed it would get out of hand. There's a big difference, not all parties spill out into bloodshed on the streets. In fact, most don't.

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Regardless of the situation, even if I was the only responsible person going to that party- I had a stressful week and was looking for away to cool down from my my biochem exam yesterday and the cops decided for me that I should sit down and watch Conan by myself and eat potato chips instead right?

And I've been drinking with my dad since I was 18, and it is legal to consume alcohol under parental supervision. My dad told me not to get too drunk when I talked to him on the phone earlier today- point in hand, I'm an exception to the norm and I get punished for the idiot things that other people do.

It's kind of like how I'm an Iranian-American and get hassled in airports all the time.
mario andreti is a good driver so is jeff gordon, does it mean he can speed on the roads? its somewhat of a fine line, yes over in germany they have no drinking laws and have no problems. But we as americans have spoiled the whole bunch and ruined the chance to ba able to do that.
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That's cause there's no fascination with it being taboo in Germany, it's the norm there.
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umm, just because your dad says you can drink with him doesnt mean its legal. The law say you must be 21 to consum alcohol, Doesnt say with permission.

More people die from drinking and driving then anything else. You might be walking, but there are likely to be a few underage people drinking and driving.

I will agree, when i was underage, I drank, and i hated when the cops showed up. But i understand as an adult the dangers of drinking.
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Due to customs in some states it is legal for a minor to consume alcohol under parental supervision. For example, French families drink from a young age.

Anyway, I follow my own system of ethics- I break the law, hopefully I don't get caught- when I do I'm prepared to pay the fine.
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Nobahar wrote:Don't they have better things to do than bust kids for underage drinking, and higher than acceptable decibel levels on a friday night?
It's the law, so cops are doing their job...it's important for cops to enforce the law regarding Alcohol...mayby you were just unfortunate...
Nobahar wrote:I'm 20, not a kid- I'm an adult and don't need parental supervision in any aspect of my life.
I was never judging you...just your first post was a bit :shock:

I know where your coming from, over here 18 is the legal age...I started drinking @ 13..We used to split a 2L bottle of cider and drink it in the local park, then goto the local disco. (sigh..I feel old) I was allowed to drink @ home since I was 15. This was normally dring parties, Christmas and such.. (just a few beers!) I think part of the problem with underage drinking is that most people are not familiar with the effects of alcohol when they start out, without respect for it, it will mess you up...alcoholism takes a fairly long time to set in... and thats the problem..it catches you off-guard. As you know the effects can catach you off-guard @ times too ;)

Ironically, you posted this on my "beer night", @ the end of a week of lates in work i always have a few beers on the friday night ;)
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It is true though, I feel that they are trying to prevent teen deaths by way of drinking and driving....I know you say that you can walk back, but the only problem with that is the other morons who drive drunk and decide to run your ass over, believe me I almost had it happen by a large pickup once, I was plastered beyond belief and completely just high (smoked a lot of reefer, A LOT!). The dude just ran up on the sidewalk for no good reason, I barely jumped out of the way of him before he had a chance to pin me between his truck and a building....trust me, there is danger in getting drunk and walking too, not to mention the mugging factor if you're in a bad neighborhood. But I do feel that the whole pattern of DUI's by teens and underage drinking needs to stop before it gets really bad. And yes you are right, the French do bring their children up to drinik from a very early age, usually 5, but they water it down to the point where they can hardly taste it, and increase it with age until they're drinking wine quite regularly with their meals, and even that breeds alcoholism and the accompanying cirrhosis, dead brain cells, and potential Orchitis (which I got from consuming too much alcohol for a prolonged period of time, meaning your balls swell to the size of tennis balls, yes each one, and then you go sterile and have permanent damage). I have a drink every once in awhile, but partying has killed a lot of underage and adult drinkers alike, and I dunno, I just learned the lesson "everything in moderation", except for computer parts, you can't get enough parts or info on them, lol.
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Hey, Ken....I just noticed you are from Dublin, I just had a coworker (and a hottie!) move back to Limerick. Say hi to her if you pass through :P

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Nobahar wrote:I'm 20, not a kid- I'm an adult and don't need parental supervision in any aspect of my life.
No, but being fresh out of college (I'm only 23, it's not like I'm very far into adulthood), I can almost guarantee you that there were going to be some idiots at that party who lived more than 2 blocks from home and wanted to drive after the party -- especially if it was planned alll semester.
I understand most people in my generation are rather irresponsible, but saying I can't drink because of the risk that I'd drive or do something equally stupid is what I'm getting at- it's one of those things that doesn't affect you so you don't care about it, might as well agree with the laws cause you don't lose anything by them.
Like I said, I'm 23. They affected me very recently. I promise, I'm not some old prude here. However, you are right by saying I don't lose anything by the laws. Because of these particular drinking laws, I am less likely to lose my life because of some stupid drunk driver.
Anyway, here was my problem stated on basing laws off statistical probability- the party is one block off-campus, I and most of us were walking- there isn't anywhere to park anyway.
Key word: most
The 21 year olds couldn't throw the party because of the underage drinking that would take place. It's not like the people who live there are underage, they're all legal and legally allowed to throw a party and drink.
That is one of the "perks" of living in a college town. If you are 21 and want to throw a party, you have to show how you are going to prevent underage drinking.
They didn't break it up before it got out of hand, they prevented it from happening cause they assumed it would get out of hand. There's a big difference, not all parties spill out into bloodshed on the streets. In fact, most don't.
The particular people who were going to throw this party...have they ever had a run-in with the cops because of their partying habits? You are right -- most parties do not spill out into bloodshed on the streets. But the cops don't like cleaning up after the ones that do, so they try to prevent it anyway.
Regardless of the situation, even if I was the only responsible person going to that party- I had a stressful week and was looking for away to cool down from my my biochem exam yesterday and the cops decided for me that I should sit down and watch Conan by myself and eat potato chips instead right?
Well, if you were going to be an underage drinker anyway, why not get someone to buy you some booze, and you and a few close friends get together, sit back, relax and throw back a few? Why do you have to go to a full-blown party? When I was in college, that's what I did.
And I've been drinking with my dad since I was 18, and it is legal to consume alcohol under parental supervision. My dad told me not to get too drunk when I talked to him on the phone earlier today- point in hand,
I, also, used to drink with my parents before I was 21. However, I never drank in public or at a party (mostly afraid of getting busted)
I'm an exception to the norm and I get punished for the idiot things that other people do.
Welcome to life. This unfairness doesn't stop when you turn 21. Most laws were made because of something stupid that someone else did.
It's kind of like how I'm an Iranian-American and get hassled in airports all the time.
I see your point here (for the first time, really). It is another type of profiling. The laws are in place to protect us. When young people are growing up, some grow up more quickly than others. The age "21" is the age when the majority of young people appear to be mature enough to handle the responsibilty that goes along with drinking. The profiling makes sense. The racial profiling, however, is unfortunate, and that is something I don't agree with -- I'll definitely side with you on that one.
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I get your points Amy. I actually don't have a tight group of friends here who I'd drink with, I transferred here from another school and I'm closer to the guys at my old school (something about freshman year, living in a dorm, similar majors that made it all work out).

I'm unfortunate enough to be one of those people who always does what he'll say he is gonna do, and I generally moderate myself in everything. In high school, the only thing I got in trouble for was cussing too much, which, well ;p, the point is that I never was the kind of person who would ever get in trouble with the law.

Then again there are some things I hated about the law. It started from traffic laws to drug laws. I've never smoked pot (and don't like the smell of the stuff so I don't plan to), but I've been for legalization- since I don't really understand why it is illegal. Someone who doesn't sleep for 3 or 4 days will be hallucinating and extremely unfit to drive, if he chooses to, but would you ever say that it should be illegal for him to keep himself up? It's one of those sketchy areas, and as I said I'm opposed to this idea of basing things off probability, since I especially never fit into the statistic.

I pay a larger premium on car insurance cause of my gender and age, I speed alot but that's not why I pay a large insurance. Girls my age pay less because they're less aggressive drivers, ie statistically considered to be less prone to accidents. However, once again in my personal experience- I know 4 or 5 girls around me who have gotten into a car accident, just 1 boy, and I've never gotten into one. And even the girls that do get into accidents still pay less than I do.

I don't know. I hate statistics. But then again there is a bright note to all of this, I'm pre-med (I might sound extremely young and foolish here but actually I'm somewhat intelligent ;p), and supposing I don't mess up my MCATS this April, at least you have one doctor in the future who will treat patients as individuals, instead of statistically analyzing their symptoms and giving a 5 minute determination of what meds can fix them.

And..
I just learned the lesson "everything in moderation", except for computer parts, you can't get enough parts or info on them, lol.
lmao- except your bank savings disappear
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well said Amy, well said indeed....I'm only 22 myself, so I'm still feeling my way around adulthood and learning how screwed up the "real world" really is. sounds like you're mature for your age as well. I have to agree with her here Nobahar, I've always been paranoid about getting busted for DUI or public drunkeness, so I've always tried to limit my drinking to my own home. There are very few moments when I decide to go to a bar or to a friend's house, just due to how I tend to be when I'm intoxicated. Great thing you're becoming a doc, I wanted to, the only thing is that I will never have the money to do so until I get my CCNA and have a job in Cisco security or network administration. I plan on doing everything then- the first four years of college, grad school, fellowships, the whole nine. I've always been interested in how the human body works, and actually I've found natural remedies that work for me for certain problems, and have also found that current OTC remedies and supplements can hurt you more than they can help you, due primarily to the toxicity of the drug, and with vitamins, they're usually synthetic and stripped-down, so they can cause more harm than good. Whole vitamins from organic sources are the best ones; they are the most absorbable by the human body and the full effects can be felt by them. There are natural vitamins out there, and I used to take them when I had money, but I found a cheaper alternative that works just as well: green, organic foods and this juice from Bolthouse Farms called Green Goodness, which is packed full of green leafy veggies, but the somewhat blahhh flavor of them are covered up by some really strong fruits (puree and juice). I drink this stuff daily, and have found it to very well be a meal replacement, because everything I eat even just a little bit with this drink, I feel so full I can't move, lol. But that's my thought- go into Naturopathy. I think if more education were to get to the public about such supplements and natural remedies, they wouldn't have any need for drugs from those rich buttholes known as pharmaceutical companies. Anyways, that's just me, lol :rolleyes:
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So I take it you'd be a DO? hehe
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rofl I guess so.......I can DO just about anything then, hahahahahaha :rolleyes: :finga:
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Wow that was a lame joke :P

Punny
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dat ist me, lol; no really though, homeopathic remedies and an organic diet does work extremely well, where I've heard and seen people who had Type II Diabetes (which I'm at extreme risk for right now) go off of Insulin and even reverse some of the bad effects (poor circulation, vision problems, etc), with a good healthy organic diet. The main reason I tout all this is due to bioavailability of vitamins, minerals, key catalyst and helper enzymes, and probiotics. I'm not a drumbeater by any means (hell, I drive a Suburban, lol), but some of the components are there. I'm at a point right now where weight has become a huge issue (no pun intended) and it needs to be rectified, without the bad effects of weight control drugs like Meridia or Suvaril, and I definitely don't need Ephedra as I already damaged my heart with the stuff when I was 16 and 17, when I was weighttraining I was using it for energy, and it was cheap energy, but it obviously came at a price. But yeah, just doing the research and whatnot, as well as seeing how well this stuff works, has made me decide to go into it if I ever am able to go into the medical field.....yay, I'm the freak and black sheep of the medical field, rofl :finga:
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